What the hot water in my tab does to morgans - Experimenting with the dark side

Well as some of you know Iceland is full of hot springs and our hot water in our tabs has sulfur in it.

Got this coin yesterday with a collecton and it was cleaned and dipped and looked messed up. So I wanted to see what our water would do and this is the resault.

5 minutes on both sides in my kitchen sink with hot water running over it.

I was surprized how fast it toned



Siggi

 

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Wow, that's amazing Siggi. You could probably put it on e-bay and ask about 5 grand for this "monster toner".

Bruce

 

Remind me not to drink the water in Iceland!

 

Hehehe well maby i´ll just call it Icelandic toning and start a new trend

Done it all my life and generations before me, Out tab water is cleaner then bottled water so no effect

 

The blue you got is indicative of the cleaning you mentioned. While on another post I mention that rarely blue is a atural tone for copper, it never is for silver. If anyone ever sees that kind of blue on silver you know its cleaning residue.

Yes, its a little surprising how fast it toned since you mentioned it had been cleaned. I would not be surprised at all fresh silver toning that quickly. Collectors underestimate how reactive silver is.

Chris

 

Hot well water from here in Florida does the same thing.

 

Cleaning residue? Really?

PCGS PR64CAC


PCGS PR64


IMO, silver can and does tone blue, no "cleaning residue" necessary...Mike

 

Remind me not to drink the water in Iceland or Florida.... Pretty neat stuff though!

 

I agree completely. Blue is for sure a natural color for silver toning. It's the dramatic change from blue to electric purple you need to worry about.




ps: Leadfoot, that Barber proof is sweeeeeet.

 

i have aresnic in my water will that have the same effect with toning? lol

 

No, but it might make your vision turn blue, lol.

 

I was talking more about the even blue of the OP coin. Blue is a progression state, but I have RARELY seen an even blue on a silver coin that there is no trace of a dip or similar. From "fresh" coins I have seen, blue can be inclusive in a toning pattern, but rarely exclusively. Its like flipping a coin and having it land on the edge, sure it can happen but very rarely. Take that with the fact its reproducible to dip a coin in certain chemicals, wash it off, and with heat applied it immediately turns blue leads to my opinion.

When you here hoofbeats you think horses, not zebras. Any coin over 50 years old that you haven't owned its a very dangerous statement to say you KNOW that it has never been dipped.

 

So Greg, are you proclaiming I sold you a AT 1956 toned silver dime by posting of it? If so, I must say that that dime is not AT but min-tset toned instead and it is natural. I've owned that dime for a very long time and was at one point in an older album of mine. If by now you received the coin, you can return it anytime buddy and I will happily take it back.

Maybe this one is AT as well :rollling:









I don't think so IMO and BTW, these post is very nice to teach more, future docs to come to life :headbang:

 

I don't think he was saying that at all. He was actually showing them as NT blue. BTW, notice all of these are proofs, which do have a higher tendency to blue than business strikes for some reason. The ones you and Gbroke posted also aren't that total blue the OP posted.

I still stand by my statement that even blue toning on a coin, especially a business strike, is an indicator of chemical application. No one can prove what happened to these coins, but since this is very reproducible I think a collector is silly to discount the notion. Because of this I assume a coin like the OP is such unless I can see differently. Leadfoot, your coin is a proof, show signs especially on the obverse of progression, and is mint state, so I would be much more open to yours being NT. Compare that to the OP coin, circulated, business strike, and no signs of progression.

Maybe I didn't explain very well the first time, but that is what my thought pattern would be, and many other collectors I believe.

Chris

 

I was saying just the opposite. Blue is a natural color for silver toning. I don't beleive any coin I bought from you was AT. Haven't seen the '56 in hand (probably never will), but it looks NT all day!

 

I believe I misunderstood Gregs reply, sorry sir.