1909 VDB Lincoln Wheat Cent Study Set

Can you host and post up the highest resolution pics you have? I'm noticing a really strong strike on the bottom coin? I need to get up close and personal !

 

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Sure, I can do better. Here. This first is a 66RD and the second a 67RD, both PCGS. I normally would have sold the 66 but it has spectacular eye appeal. Gotta say, though, that there are stunning VDB's in this thread. WTG, guys!
Lance.

 

Lance, as posted in case you missed it, I believe that you, me, Todd and a few others know how to interpret hi resolution images and that we are way ahead of the times with that knowledge. Just to pat myself on the back.. I was able to determine almost - exactly the light type, angle, number of lights and distance of the coin from the lens on a BU coin you recently posted.

note to self: I am thinking about jumping from this thread

http://www.cointalk.com/showthread.php?t=170116&p=1162253#post1162253

back onto this one.


I tried to touch on the subject in relation the (8) MS64RD's I posted - but no one took the bait.

 

First attempt at posting an image here.
I picked up this 09-VDB PCGS 66 RB in an OGH slab (dot matrix) because I liked the wood-grained toning.



Updated the photo for better focus, but my lighting is simply rotten.. Sure wish I had a clue..
Scott

 

Welcome to another woody lover. You might enjoy http://www.cointalk.com/t65353/

 

Experimentation will bring you results, posting a pic of your camera set up and what you are using will also help to bring you "clues" I really like lke's pics and what he is getting with halogen bulbs on copper coins.

Thanks for the contribution! Especially love that it is a woodie.

 

I am happy to report....Windows 7 with IE9 = no more scrolling! YAY!

 

FINALLY --- !!! Thank goodness! Congrats! Hoooray! I am so happy for you!


I am basically back online now and for the most part finished with my annual spring cleaning and start-ups. oh no.... I know groan!


I have managed to acquire a boat load of VDB's both Slabbed and raw and will be posting again soon - lots die variety examples and some gorgeous illini pedigreed coins, got a couple nice ones from badthad too..... I am anxious to capture and post.

http://www.cointalk.com/t47893/ Posting this link as a reminder to myself to practice a neat quickly cutting specific parts of a coin for comparison. ( I think I have seen other VDB's with that "line" through it.

 

Here is my PCGS 67RD. I have begun my grading set... we will see if I run into the same pitfalls you did.

I will try to get pics. I have 64RD, 65RD, 66RD and this 67RD.

 

Can't wait to see some nice pics of some of them VDB toners I sold to you... i miss a few of them already!!!

I'm giving my two 1909 VDBs in MS67RB to PCGS at the Long Beach show tomorrow... sending them in for Secure Plus regrading hoping they'll like one more than the other and give one an MS67+RB grade. Sort of a long shot, but I needed a couple extra coins to go into the submission so I could use up my voucher. Plus, since they are pop 3 coins with none higher in RB, I'm pretty sure I can get PCGS to do free TrueView photos of them as condition census coins for PCGS CoinFacts If they do, I'll be sure to post the pics here too!

 

Looking back, I think the only pitfalls were my Heritage 67RD purchases and even those balanced out. In case you missed it, I built my grading set choosing the VDB as learning experiment. I'm very much still learning..

THAT IS A vERY niCE 67RD....... Can you produce higher resolution images of that coin? SPecifically, I swear the lines just off Abes nose running SSE look like a very very similar match to one of the die diagnostics for the VDB MPL -

you have to rotate this photo a bit clockwise..



Off on a tangent... while searching for a specific photo of the VDB MPL scratches, I came across ANOTHER open ended thread about this coin.. http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=30&threadid=771316&STARTPAGE=5


Mike you have been patient.. I promise I will be back at it soon. I came inside for some AC.... Darn steak can only be eaten a bite at a time. who ordered the 32oz T-Bone!

 

i think i have been driven to get a drink... Haven't had barely a minute to get back at my coins... wanted to check my one thread.. my one focus.. the point where I left off.... so, I went off to look for a die diagnostic image to compare against Dutchmans 67RD, found the open ended debate about whether there is another/more VDB MPL die varieties, read how the 420 number might have only been for the silver sets and not included the minor nickel/cent sets of the 1194 mintage number, etc etc on & on...... THEN! I ran into a reverse that looked vaguely familiar,

scrolled through my images and with in seconds. boom... I found a reverse starting at 63, in the 65's - an original Illini coin btw - that matches to the new VDB MPL reverse variety that Charmy recently acquired.. Yet the 65BN coin I have is a business strike as best as I can tell from not seeing the rims and yet....... interestingly enough, it is missing the scratch inside the C of CENT which by itself has never been explained well enough to me on why it appears on the MPLs 1910 and later and only on the VDB BS.

Complicated and confused? yeah.. me too.

This is, I think.. the reverse of a new VDB MPL die set taken from a CU discussion. http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=30&threadid=771316&STARTPAGE=4



This is a reverse of a 65BN.. how can these reverse images not be from the same exact die, (disclaimer...I was searching for the little T over big T in UNITED - I compared couple other parts of both coins, not the whole coin)-(yes that is an interesting Period. speck of metal, after the "I" in PLURIBUS)

if they are in fact from the same die, then dies from the masters were used on both MPL and BS and over hundered years ago they had equipment that reproduced duplicates at microscopic perfection? I think not.. But thats only what I think. someone help me out here.




I guess the point of this post is that I keep finding things that just don't add up. Being the skeptic I am, analytical and philosophical - I stand more firm than ever, that there is a lot more to uh.... need to find a label to stick on this subject. Those that know some of my rants, know that I think there is a lot of hanky panky conspiracy controlled by a handful of elitists.

Wheres Jesse Ventura, I tell ya!




........Blog entry VDB MPL Reverse Diagnostics

 

Too soon to ask for results? I knew I should have doubled down..

 

oh wait... nevermind...... talk about not seeing the forest for all the trees. The VDB is missing from first coin.

 

Could the mint have used the same hub for making the working dies for MPL,s and BS strikes?

 

Not sure of the answer to that... but I remember reading threads and articles about people searching for 1910 VDB cents. Apparently the initials on many of the reverse dies weren't all entirely removed and a faint VDB could be seen even after they removed them in 1909... some of these reverse dies were used to strike 1910 cents and I've heard reports of 1910 cents with a faint VDB on the reverse or at least a portion of a faint VDB... but none have ever been recognized as a 1910 VDB by any major grading service. I still look at the reverses of all the 1910 cents I get though!!!!

 

Yeah, I ended up giving them the two MS67RB 1909 VDBs and I also gave them the one 1909 VDB in MS66RB that I kept because it's the best toned VDB I've ever owned. Hoping that they'll take TrueView photos of them all while they are in for regrading. Should have results by the end of the month... PCGS is really slow right now.

 

realy nice photos and great info for the 1909 collector

 

This is for those who speculate about the 1910 VDB. Here is a pic showing lapping marks at the bottom of a 1909 plain cent.
The question is; were there reverse 1909 VDB dies reclaimed after the order was given to remove the VDB?