Finally, the LONGSHANKS Penny

Seriously, the wait wasn't really that bad Here is the Edward 1st penny. Any feedback?

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B

 

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A surprisingly well struck coin for that era. Congratulations.:high5:

 

Thank-You Roy, that means alot coming from a fella with your background and knowledge on ancient and world coinage. Thanks

Ben

 

Nice coin

Congratulations.

 

Bone,that is a very nice coin from the Canterbury mint.I have one of these.It is very difficult to try & identify the various Classes of the coins.

Aidan.

 

"Thank You Gentlemen." I am very pleased

Ben

 

NICE ONE Bone!!!!
A week can seem like a month when you're waiting for a coin.
In case you want to label it,the obverse reads EDWAR ANGL DNS HYB.( Edward by the Grace of God King of England and Lord of Ireland.)
and the back is CIVITAS CANTOR (City Of Canterbury)

 

Hey Thanks, I will

B

 

Firstly. A nice piece of history there.

Second. As Aidan has already mentioned, it can be difficult to differentiate between pennies of Edward I and Edward II at times....even with a book on that very subject right there in front of you.

Third as a bit of fun, I thought it would be interesting to see if anyone could tell me whether the following London mint coin is Edward I or Edward II and what factors lead you to believe it is one or the other

No prizes involved. Just for fun.

 

Ian,
I read somewhere that the difference is in the shape of the E in Edward's name but beyond that,I have no clue.
After looking at your coin and Bone's and then looking at both of mine,I did notice one small difference.The circle surrounding the portrait on my Edward I and Bone's is a sort of double sawtooth unbroken pattern while your photo and my Edward II is a series of dots that resemble a rope.This might just be marks indicating Canterbury or London but I'll guess yours is Edward II?

P.S. I just noticed that the inscription on my Edward I is a bit longer EDWARD R ANGL DNS HYB,and my Edward II also appears to have the extra R for REX after the name...any explanations?

 

There's a kind of checklist you can go through to eliminate possibilities.

It starts with the mints. Some are only found on Edward I coins. So knowing the mint might just tell you straight off.

Next on the list is the legends. Some legends are specific to Edward I

It's when you get to the legends that are identical on both coinages that you have to look for the other indicators, although if you know these `indicators' you sometimes don't have to bother looking at the legends.

The legends on both these coins at first glance appear to be the same but is the first coin EDWA R ANGL DNS HYB or EDWAR ANGL DNS HYB? Check it closely against my coin and see what you think?

The space can make all the difference.

The `EDWA R' legend is only found on Edward I coinages. However, the `EDWAR' (no space) legend is common to the latter three types of Edward I coinage and all five types of Edward II's.

Now, that still doesn't tell whether MY coin is Edward I or II. For that you have to go to the next item on the checklist

I'll bore everyone even more silly once the the rest of the world (aka `down under') has had a chance to chime in with any thoughts or comments they would like to make.

Ian

 

I wonder...

 

Sorry Mikjo, I just realised I hadn't responded to your note above.

According to Coincraft's `Standard Catalogue of English and UK Coins 1066 to date' (2000 edition) The EDWARD R ANGL DNS HYB is class 10A. The legend commencing EDWARR attributes it as class 10B. Both Edward I issues.

Ian

 

Class 10A is about my favourite as it's one of the easiest to identify, along with 10B.

 

Thanks Ian!!!
looks like I have two Edward I pennies and need to relabel the 10b and then find an Edward II..is that right?

 

Affirmative on the re-labelling. As to finding an Edward II....only if you feel inclined to do so.

Do you have an Edward III by the way? I don't, but we were just saying on a different forum what a potential bog it is trying to attribute them from the others.

Ian

 

Ian,trying to identify the silver 1d.'s of King Richard I & King John are also extremely difficult,as they all bear the name of 'Henry',possibly a reference to King Henry III of England.

Aidan.

 

Ian,
No Edward III,alas! I do have his son, Edward the Black Prince and Edward IV though.
The reverse of this coin has some pretty amazing toning.I think I can see blue,yellow,green,lilac,pink,blue,orange and aqua in there.Of course I might be just having hippie flashbacks.

 

I like that!

 

For me there is nothing `easy' about collecting mediaeval hammered coinages, even with the books. However, it does take the concept of `the fun of finding out' into a new realm. Some of these coins really a\re a voyage of discovery in their own rights. You have to look a lot closer at the detail to attribute them properly than you normally have to do for later coinages. If you don't like studying minutiae, then hammereds can be a tad `challenging' to say the least.

My preference is for french hammered, so from that perspective any Richard The Lionheart coin i'm likely to come across for my own collection will have his name on it and come from Aquitaine or Poitou.