Would You Offer 15K For This 1964 SMS Kennedy?..I Did...

Well the owner just accepted the 15K offer today. I am waiting in NCG SMS 69 offer as well...

 

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the diffs?

My question is the 64SMS, was it a diff die used for the 50 coins then a diff die for buss strike.

Could someone have a 64mint set in very high quality ( first couple strikes from a new die )
that grades high .

 

In order to tell the difference between a well struck business coin, SMS and proof coinage of 1964, you have to really know the series.

The only people who knew how the dies were prepared or what happen to them after the specimen coins were struck are long gone. Perhaps the Mint Director of the time Eva Adams could have answered your question, but speculation is that working dies were polished but the planchets used were not of proof quality, which resulted in a more satiny finish than of the brilliant proofs of this era.

Also, the finished coins were handled differently after the coining process. There are minimum amount of handling marks or blemished on these coins, perhaps a proto-type of the next generation of Special Mint Sets of 1965-67.

 

No...Just got email from HA.com that owner of the PCGS SMS68 accidentally hit accept....he does not want to sell the coin....damn! OK..may offer 20K....or trade 8
escudo 1715 fleet shipwreck coin....plus cash

 

Maybe you could up your bid on the MS69; I definitely think that it would cross at MS69. If you're going to spend that much money, you might as well own the very best. You seemed to indicate that you would pay double your $15k bid for a PCGS MS69. Perhaps you can get the NGC coin for $20k-$25k. It's worth a shot.

P.S. What grade is your other SMS 50c in?

 

Dunno what his trigger price is. But I would suggest finding a ceiling (top price you'll pay) price for the 68. And work your way up to that figure. If he doesn't cave in by then, then move on to another example. But She is a beauty

 

Wouldn't you think that the owner of the NGC SP-69 already knows this? There are collectors out there where switching plastic to get top dollar is not a big factor to them, they just want the actual coin and look beyond it as pure investment.

 

I don't even know what the 64 SMS is anyways, so I have no opinion about it.

Hope your offer is accepted.

 

Thanks for the correction & very good point.

 

I'm quite sure that they do, and in fact, this was my point. You can view the original poster's offers on Heritage. He offered $15k for the PCGS SP68 and $14k for the NGC SP69. I was telling him (or her) that before I'd offer $20k on the SP68, I would offer at least $25k on the SP69 if not more. The OP indicate somewhere that he would have doubled his bid (i.e. to $30k) for a PCGS SP-69. I was advising him to pick up the NGC SP-69 and then cross it rather than settling for the PCGS SP68.

 

There are nowhere near 50 examples of the 1964 SMS Kennedy half in existence today. My best guess is somewhere north of 12 and south of 18. The population data are hopelessly inflated. Last auction appearance was 2010 FUN Heritage, an MS67 PCGS that brought $16,100. Anybody have pix of theirs, I'd sure like to see them. Mine is in my PCGS Registry Set With Varieties, Complete Proofs and Business Strikes.

 

Resurrecting this thread. Any takers on posting pics of their 1964 SMS Kennedys?

 

Wish I could afford a '64 SMS! I do happen to have this '64 w/hair accent that I picked up last year and keep forgetting to take home.

 

Here's A Photo of Mine on PCGS CoinFacts for Members

I meant to send this to Todd for photos, but due to the value I want to bring it to him personally at a show rather than sending it Registered.

http://www.pcgscoinfacts.com/CoinDetail.aspx?s=6844&x=29&y=10

PCGS Cert# 11892056 for those who want to verify it ...

 

Wow, an SP67! That's a killer Kennedy! Thanks for sharing. That's the first real McCoy that I've ever seen.
How many do they estimate of these now? I know it used to just be a handful, but I have never heard any different.
What is on his neck? I can only see it when enlarged, and it looks like a comb was dragged across his neck.
Chuck

Edit: How many? About 20....guess I should have looked back, sorry.

 

No, I would not. There are much better invesments out there than this.
You asked so I replied.

RickieB

 

I assume you mean what I call "flesh marks." All of the early silver Kennedys that are well-struck (get out your 1964 Mint Sets, fellers) have those marks that look like skin texture on the skin of the neck, SMS, Proofs, business strikes, whatever.

@RickieB that title is the original title thread from months ago. Somebody else, the OP, was asking that question. You will notice this coin sold in a Heritage auction for $6,038 a couple of years ago and today PCGS values it at $15K. (I obtained it afterward.) The last one that traded hands in this grade that I know of brought $16,100.

 

I'm not impressed witht he OP con. To me it's worth about $16.

 

If I had one, you'd be the second to know about it! LOL!

 

I would bet that there are a few out there that made it into circulation.