1883-s pawn shop find grade help

Yes i know there are some cratches but its a nice filler for my book at the price of silver.
I just would like a little help with grade ifanyone could. For me a novice id say au details because the scratches on reverse. But i am up for critique.a value would be great also because of the scratches im not sure if the value is even more than spot.

 

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I think AU as well, but I think it may have been cleaned, resulting in the hairline scratches on both sides

 

thats interesting i didnt see that i figured it was from circulation because it still has luster usually a scrubbed morgan loses that mint luster with brushing. you could be right jeez.

 

The hairlines can be a dead give away for a cleaning or whizzing. Another tell-tell sign of cleaning is the toning or dark crud in the letters of the motto and etc. It's hard to get into those tight spaces sometimes, especially for someone who is rushing through that process.

 

Looks like au details from damage on reverse

 

I agree that it's AU50 or so. You can still make out some luster. If it's been cleaned, I can't tell from those photos. The dings/hits on the reverse might detract from its value somewhat.

The 1883 S gets harder to find in AU and up. In mint state, the price of that coin really starts to sky-rocket. All in all, I'd say it's a great find at under $50. Good job!

 

In the Au 50 boat also. Though I believe the the light marks are from circulation too.

 

MAKECENTS,

What doesn't "make cents" to me is why you would buy any coin without having any idea of the grade, value or whether it has been cleaned. I'm not trying to give you a hard time, but I see so many newcomers buying coins in just this fashion who then ask others to tell them about it after the fact. This is a surefire method for wasting money. You should read the book before you buy the coin. What if the coin had been priced at $175. Would you have purchased it if you could afford it? Please explain your reasoning, yea or nay.

With that said, I don't see that there is any indication this coin has been improperly cleaned. Maybe I'm blind, but I don't see any hairlines at all. What I see is a coin in AU55 or so that still has a good amount of luster and the normal wear from brief circulation.

Chris

 

Then he would learn a lesson. You have to remember when people come into this hobby they do not want to just look. Everybody wants to get the best deals and best buys. So most of us take a few hard lumps a long the way and learn some very hard lessons. So while you can read books, look at coins(and most just see pictures) and study, when you start buying you want reassurance. So that is why you get a lot of posts like this. To me the key is to provide constructive criticism to help their confidence and encourage them. Stop and think - how many on this site have actually tried to work something or assemble something without reading the directions first? So you try, figure out you need the directions and then actually read them. Same concept.

As for the coin - seems to me in the AU range.

 

It's a good thing this isn't a flying club.

Chris

 

lol, I bet there would be a lot of law-suits....

 

Whizzing doesn't leave hair lines, FWIW. Surfaces are usually dazzling but the luster is all wrong. And on careful inspection bits of metal can be seen at the edges of devices.

To detect cleaning hair lines use a good loupe and rotate the coin under light. Parallel faint lines that cross devices is a give away. Hair lines that do not cross devices are usually due to die maintenance (often called polish lines, a little too loosely). Random hair lines over devices can be rub from circulation so they are not always fatal.
Lance.

 

It isn't? I've seen a lot of people take a flyer.

 

:arguing::hammer: JEEZ!

 

Thanks to tell you the truth i looked through three boxes of coins this guy has all morgans and peace dollars and believe it or not i pulled an 1893-p out of it mixed in with the rest problem is he usually gives me the lowest grade value which for most is around spot but this one he looked up and said 200 bucks because he looked on his grey sheet. Id say it is around xf++ maybe au but lots of scratches so i didnt pull the trigger because i wasnt sure if for one it wad genuine and two if it was cleaned. Im going to go again tomorrow and look and maybe snap a quick photo to have you guys heck it out.

 

Ziggy. To answer both your questions easliy i would say no because of the scrathes and being unsure of it but 30 bucks isnt 175.Now as i have explained before i have trouble with the exact grde i can guess au bit 53? 54?. Thats where i seek outhelp from the comminity here so i can learn and discuss. And as far as the cliche buy the book before you buy the coin i think it is. Kind of useless unless you go out and put the coin in your hand and feel and look at it. I go to pawn shops to treasure hunt and it uas wor?ed many times. I did not ask ifanyone could tell me i made a steal or not i saw the coin. The luster. The date. And new it may be worth the price it was offered to me and figured it was worth a shot and if notill use it as a filler for my book.