Fake 14 D Cent Comparison

Hey gang!

I wanted to post this coin that came into the shop. It's a no questions added mintmark counterfeit.



The shape of the mintmark is totally incorrect for the series. On genuine examples the inside of the mintmark is almost triangular as seen below on a genuine piece. The original piece looks to have been modified a while ago. I thought these pictures might be useful.

 

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Here's another that came into my hands from an estate. Shape of MM isn't bad but it's tilted improperly. Pretty good fake.
Lance.

 

Here's a real one from my PCGS registry.
Lance.

 

Both pretty good fakes! I'm sure they cost some people a lot of money.

Lance - That PCGS 14D is the BOMB! NICE!

 

Is it possible that something could have smashed the MM on this one? If I recall the D on these usually looks thin on the 1914, and if something was to have come down on it, could it have made it look like that? Just a thought.
Chuck

 

I can see Matt's is added, but that one Lance posted would have got me and still does.

I have never seen it, but there must be a set of pictures of the dies used like we have for the 09-S VDB. Has anyone seen such?

 

Good thinking, Chuck. I considered that too. But I didn't like the angle of the MM. It should be fairly upright.

Ultimately I sent it to PCGS, figuring if it were real it would need a legitimate holder. No luck.

I have another coin from this estate, a 1909-S VDB, with a great story for another time. I shouldn't hijack this thread.
Lance.

 

There were six die pairs for the '14-D. I don't know of a site that illustrates them. There's probably one out there somewhere.

Here's an older thread about counterfeit '14-D's.

If you want to read more about this particular one here's the link for the thread on the PCGS forum.
Lance.

 

FWIW, I agree completely with Matt's observations.

For comparison purposes, here is my 14-D:

 

Those are good fakes, I had to look at them a couple times. This is why I rely on TPG, PCGS and NGC. But in these days, even the slabs and serial numbers are getting faked, you you're not 100% safe buying slabbed pieces. Still studying on how to spot fake 14-D's and 09-S VDB's, that way if I go to buy one, I'll know what to watch out for.

 

I've never seen one, but it would be a useful tool. I would think it might be possible to create one from the Heritage site, and I'm sure they would be happy to give permission for their images to be used.