"Morgan" Morgans; may have found the inspiration for the latest bad slabbed ones...

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Jack D. Young, Dec 11, 2022.

  1. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    Previously reported 1881-CC's:

    1881-ccs.jpg
    Cert was nuked; now 2 other cert numbers used, both genuine certs of other denominations...

    1881-CC 2.jpg
    1881-CC 3j.jpg
    Kind of comical:D...

    1881-CC 3 gen.jpg

    An 1899:

    1899-CC.jpg

    And the latest "discovery" but maybe the 1st "struck":

    bad slab combo.jpg

    And this example shows up in the auction archives of PCGS:

    PCGS listing.jpg

    And the genuine example:

    gen slab combo.jpg


    Getting hairy out there; glad I don't collect "Morgans"...
     
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  3. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    Wholly Scat!

    Glad as the devil for Jack.......
     
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  4. Sting 60

    Sting 60 Well-Known Member

    This may be a question for another forum but I'll ask it anyway. What is the weight of a slabbed morgan; I'm guessing it is a little different from say pcgs vs ngc. I don't think I've seen any discussion on that topic. This would be valuable information when weighing a slabbed morgan to tell if the weight was correct. Regards.
     
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  5. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    I have to wonder if there is an eBay-identifiable common denominator where all of these first surfaced . . . if so, we should be able to do 2 things:
    1. Point the authorities to the distributor, and
    2. Implicate eBay as a negligent accomplice, heading off any claims to complete innocence.
     
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  6. KBBPLL

    KBBPLL Well-Known Member

    How did you find that last one in PCGS auction archives? When I search sold items for seller sneake_9517 I get 45 results, 8 of them Morgans, but when I click each one I get the orange hoodie. That doesn't happen with other sellers, so I wonder if they got nuked.

    Facilitating the sale of counterfeits is illegal under the Hobby Protection Act (that provision was added later) but somehow ebay skates by. I'd hazard to say more fakes are sold via ebay than anywhere else. I really doubt these fake slabs are getting into the US one at a time, there has to be a bulk buyer here somewhere in the chain, but apparently tracking them down isn't a priority. I wonder what PCGS has to say about it.
     
  7. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator


    Orange hoodie?
     
  8. KBBPLL

    KBBPLL Well-Known Member

    The "we looked everywhere" thing, which I think indicates ebay intervention.
     
  9. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    Oh, you mean when any evidence of the listing disappears, so that eBay cannot be implicated of any wrongdoing.

    Maybe we should alter our approach a bit.

    Instead of reporting all eBay-listed fakes to eBay, we should report to eBay only the raw coins.

    If we instead report all certified eBay-listed fakes only to the appropriate grading service, we can leave it to them to hold eBay accountable instead. I imagine they'd probably screenshoot the listings before contacting eBay with a takedown notice. Moreover, they'd probably very quickly get very sick of the prevalent diversion of eBay attention from the authenticity of their seller's offerings, and threaten some sort of meaningful legal action.
     
  10. KBBPLL

    KBBPLL Well-Known Member

    It would be interesting if someone forced ebay to reveal how many reported counterfeits they get versus how many they actually take down, because it seems like it takes a special connection and then they're gone right away, but I can report an item until I'm blue in the face and it stays up. Policing it costs them money, and it needs to cost them to not do anything before they'll change.
     
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  11. Jack D. Young

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  12. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    Orange hoodie:

    Orange Hoodie.jpg
    I have a running list of the bad slabs on PCGS' Collectors Universe; several on-line certs have been removed or modified since the start.

    I also report to NGC but most of the swarm of bad have been these generic bad "PCGS slabs" and labels.
     
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  13. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    And now these...

    1881-CC epidemic.jpg
     
  14. micbraun

    micbraun coindiccted

    all CC Morgans (strike 1) no-shield-labels i.e. no trueviews (strike 2) Jack posted them (strike 3) - who can’t tell they are counterfeits ?
     
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