Previously reported 1881-CC's: Cert was nuked; now 2 other cert numbers used, both genuine certs of other denominations... Kind of comical... An 1899: And the latest "discovery" but maybe the 1st "struck": And this example shows up in the auction archives of PCGS: And the genuine example: Getting hairy out there; glad I don't collect "Morgans"...
This may be a question for another forum but I'll ask it anyway. What is the weight of a slabbed morgan; I'm guessing it is a little different from say pcgs vs ngc. I don't think I've seen any discussion on that topic. This would be valuable information when weighing a slabbed morgan to tell if the weight was correct. Regards.
I have to wonder if there is an eBay-identifiable common denominator where all of these first surfaced . . . if so, we should be able to do 2 things: Point the authorities to the distributor, and Implicate eBay as a negligent accomplice, heading off any claims to complete innocence.
How did you find that last one in PCGS auction archives? When I search sold items for seller sneake_9517 I get 45 results, 8 of them Morgans, but when I click each one I get the orange hoodie. That doesn't happen with other sellers, so I wonder if they got nuked. Facilitating the sale of counterfeits is illegal under the Hobby Protection Act (that provision was added later) but somehow ebay skates by. I'd hazard to say more fakes are sold via ebay than anywhere else. I really doubt these fake slabs are getting into the US one at a time, there has to be a bulk buyer here somewhere in the chain, but apparently tracking them down isn't a priority. I wonder what PCGS has to say about it.
Oh, you mean when any evidence of the listing disappears, so that eBay cannot be implicated of any wrongdoing. Maybe we should alter our approach a bit. Instead of reporting all eBay-listed fakes to eBay, we should report to eBay only the raw coins. If we instead report all certified eBay-listed fakes only to the appropriate grading service, we can leave it to them to hold eBay accountable instead. I imagine they'd probably screenshoot the listings before contacting eBay with a takedown notice. Moreover, they'd probably very quickly get very sick of the prevalent diversion of eBay attention from the authenticity of their seller's offerings, and threaten some sort of meaningful legal action.
It would be interesting if someone forced ebay to reveal how many reported counterfeits they get versus how many they actually take down, because it seems like it takes a special connection and then they're gone right away, but I can report an item until I'm blue in the face and it stays up. Policing it costs them money, and it needs to cost them to not do anything before they'll change.
Orange hoodie: I have a running list of the bad slabs on PCGS' Collectors Universe; several on-line certs have been removed or modified since the start. I also report to NGC but most of the swarm of bad have been these generic bad "PCGS slabs" and labels.
all CC Morgans (strike 1) no-shield-labels i.e. no trueviews (strike 2) Jack posted them (strike 3) - who can’t tell they are counterfeits ?