should i take my coins out of there flips

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by bruce m, Apr 9, 2011.

  1. bruce m

    bruce m New Member

    i bought some pretty cool coins today and their in flips, but i remember reading that flips make your coins green and ruin them over time, im a kid and i dont want green ruined coins when im 30, is this true and should i take em out, thanks
     
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  3. Vroomer2

    Vroomer2 Active Member

    If you aren't sure the flips are mylar, then you need to put them in new flips.

    All kinds of chemical and environmental factors ruin coins.
     
  4. saltysam-1

    saltysam-1 Junior Member

    Put them in 2x2 cardboard holders until you can buy/afford some air-tites. They run about 4 to 5 cents apiece and are safe to use for quite some time.
     
  5. bruce m

    bruce m New Member

    by flips i mean the cardboard things with the plastic window and i doubt there mylar
     
  6. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor Supporter

    Bruce,

    Most likely it is mylar film that is on the inside of the cardboard. Mylar is used rather than vinyl for that purpose because it doesn't stretch and become thinner on the edge of a coin and rip like vinyl.

    The one thing to watch is that the staples do not begin to rust from moisture in the air, or they could cause toning and possible corrosion. It does usually take years for this to happen, but if you live on the seashore , check every year or so.

    jim
     
  7. Louie_Two_Bits

    Louie_Two_Bits Chump for Change

    I don't like using 2x2s because they always seem to leave cardboard dust all over the clear window no matter how much you wipe it down before placing a coin inside.

    It may not show up when looking at the coin with the naked eye; but take some macro images, and you'll see what I'm talking about.

    -LTB
     
  8. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

  9. kanga

    kanga 65 Year Collector

    First, learn your teminology.
    You are describing a 2x2, NOT a flip.

    Second, in general there are two types of "green" problems, and mostly limited to copper coins (but remember, most US coins have a certain percentage of copper in them).
    One type is dry or crusty. That's most often "verdigris".
    The other is gooey. That is most often a product of "PVC" exposure.
    Neither is good and can be best prevented by using quality holders.
    The afore mentioned Air-Tites are arguably the best "less expensive" holder.
    2x2's also work well.
    Only use flips if you KNOW they are PVC-free.
     
  10. sgiorgis

    sgiorgis Student of Numismatics

    "but if you live on the seashore , check every year or so'

    +1,and, unfortunately, it does not take 30 years! :( (I can see the Pacific from my work)
    Steve
     
  11. stldanceartist

    stldanceartist Minister of Silly Walks

    This brings up an interesting point. I've recently begun collecting modern commemoratives, and one (in the original mint packaging) is in its cellophane wrapper. I've noticed that it has already begun toning - is it more beneficial to keep it in the original packaging or to pop it into an AirTite holder?

    Thanks!

    ~benjamin
     
  12. Coinguy56

    Coinguy56 Member

    This is one of the reasons why I don't like living close to the ocean, my collection. And as you guys have probably noticed, I've got a couple coins worth over a grand, so I want a completely dry area, a basement. That's why I worry alot about corrosion and toning getting to my coins, because out here, it is usually pretty humid with salt spray. You guys are lucky.

    Edit: I love air-tites, they are great investments for your better coins and all coins. But the cardboard flips will do just fine, but as stated above, I would keep an eye on the staples and make sure they don't rust, because it's bad out here. Thankfully, my safe will do its work and prevent the rusting.
     
  13. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    We're all very sorry that you have to suffer there on the Hawaiian coast. I'm sure there are a number of us in the interior continental US who would be generous enough to trade places with you without a moment's hesitation. :)
     
  14. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    People always seem to forget things. Things like the fact that a great many dealers use PVC flips when they sell you a coin even today. And pretty much everybody knows that PVC flips are not good.

    But what a lot of people don't know, or have forgotten, is that even non-PVC flips are not good. Why not ? It's quite simple if you think about it. The non-PVC flips are made of a palstic that is harder, stiffer than the PVC flips are. That hardness and stiffness can actually cause wear to a coin as the coin inside the flip rubs against the flip. There is also the danger of hairlining the coin when you put it into the flip, or take it out of the flip. This is because the edge of that flip pouch is sharp and it can and will scratch a coin as the coin slides past it if you not very careful. Even the TPGs will tell you this.

    Then there are the cardboard 2x2s. As mentioned, they produce cardboard dust. It is completely unavoidable. Even if you clean all of the dust out the 2x2 when you put the coin inside, it will produce more, new dust. That dust can and will scratch your coin as the coin moves inside the 2x2. Or, it can just sit on the surface of the coin and cause spots later on. Then you have the problems of the staples to compound the issue. And even the self-adhesive 2x2 have the dust issues.

    Flips and 2x2s, of any kind, should never be used for more than temporary storage of coins for the reasons stated above. The only holders that should ever be used for long term or permanant storage are the hard acrylic coin holders. There are many different brands available and all of them are suitable. They do of course vary greatly in expense with Air-Tites being about the cheapest there are.

    But ask yourself this question - is any coin in your collection not worth the 50 cents or less that it will cost to place that coin in an Air-Tite that will provide safe, long term storage. Not just for years, but for decades or even centuries ?
     
  15. Coinguy56

    Coinguy56 Member

    Great post, GDJMSP. I'd have to agree, spend the $0.50 and buy an air-tite rather than risking all the dust and rusting staples in the cardboard 2X2's.

    @JeffB: It's nice out here, for vacation and other things, but for numismatics, the ocean is their biggest terror. Even though I had $200, I wanted to store my $3500 collection in a nice safe that is water proof and to protect against the elements. Plus that's why I am thankful about the basement. But in other words, I usually go out and hit the waves to relieve my stress.
     
  16. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    I prefer the non pvc for ancients due to the high relief they have. Air-tites suck for them cause they dont close. Been there/done that.
     
  17. Louie_Two_Bits

    Louie_Two_Bits Chump for Change

    For the AirTite folks, do you prefer the colored rings or no rings? I have the non-ringed ones, but kinda like the colored ones. Do the rings makes it difficult to insert into the AirTite with minimal surface contact on the coin?

    Also, for those of you who do/plan to use AirTites, remember to ensure there is no dust or debris on your coin and only open the AirTite when you're ready to insert the coin and seal it immediately afterward. Do the transfer into the AirTite away from moving air (open window, fan, well traveled areas in the house, etc) as you want to minimize sealing dust particles in your AirTite. And as with handling any other raw coin, never talk, sneeze or even breathe direclty over the coin's surface, as talking/sneezing and breathing can inadvertently cause permanent damage the coin's surface with saliva/mucus that will show up as ugly spots over time.

    -LTB
     
  18. saltysam-1

    saltysam-1 Junior Member

    I use both to give my display some diversification. You will definitely need the foam rings for many foreign coins because their diameters are not all to our standards. This applies to any medals you might collect as well.
     
  19. CamaroDMD

    CamaroDMD [Insert Clever Title]

    I completely agree with this statement...however I have always had a problem with it and maybe you can help me solve it. I like to look at my coins in pages...like in an album. That's how I like to store them. I have never found a good way to store coins in air-tites in this way. Do you have any suggestions?
     
  20. saltysam-1

    saltysam-1 Junior Member

    They do make pocket pages that will hold even a slab beside air-tites. They are 3 hole punched for easy flipping in a binder.
     
  21. kitchmed

    kitchmed Likes shiny things

    I've used black rings for all the foreign coins I've been handed down.... might consider using some of the other colors for specific themes.

    Rings don't make it hard to properly place the coin. Often times i'd place the coin into the air-tite half and then place the ring around the coin, seemed to work pretty well, no surface contact needed.
     
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