Fighting with ebay regarding sale of USDA Food Stamps

He needs to check his books again. Collecting pre-1934 U.S. gold certificates (those no longer redeemable in gold) was legalized in 1964, some ten years before ownership of actual gold became legal again....http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...Order_6102.jpg/200px-Executive_Order_6102.jpg

 

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sorry did not work they way i wanded it to he needs to know or just look things up first
the law is still on the books and was only amended for the gold coins but not the gold notes read it for your self
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a1/Executive_Order_6102.jpg/200px-Executive_Order_6102.jpg
with what is in coin wolrd this month about what many states are tring to do with making money if things go south it should be every ones thinking of what to do will try to post it

 

this may be a new thread and i am not sure how to start one so if any one knows and thinks it would be good i hope they do

it got me thinking about alot of things going on today and what is the best thing to do with all my silver coins

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That's because the part about gold certificates had already been changed in 1964, so they didn't need to be mentioned again in the 1974 legislation.... See here or here.

 

tlasch,
Once an employee at ebay screws up and removes a sale, then the rest of them will not correct that error. They are like police officer's and the thin blue line or whatever it's called. They stick together. There used to be an ebay girl who visited here a couple of times and said she would help us out. Shoot her a PM and see if it helps, you have nothing to lose. :thumb:

Oh, her name is ebayIvanka

 

this is not the place for this and i will not get into it with you here but i did look at the links you put up "looking for the law you said " so i could look the law itself up but i could not find it it only said
"A year earlier, in 1933, Executive Order 6102 had made it a criminal offense for U.S. citizens to own or trade gold anywhere in the world, with exceptions for some jewelry and collector's coins. These prohibitions were relaxed starting in 1964 – gold certificates were again allowed for private investors on April 24, 1964, although the obligation to pay the certificate holder on demand in gold specie would not be honored. By 1975 Americans could again freely own and trade gold.
there is no law
the same with the food stamps coupons there is no law but the laws for them are justed relaxed thats all
and with that i am done
thank you all for letting me get this off my chest

 

From a philosophical perspective, this is a very interesting debate. There's a quote by Schopenhauer that goes: "All truth passes through three phases: First it is ridiculed, secondly it is violently opposed and thirdly it is accepted as self evident." I'm seeing all three phases in this thread.

I'd like to add is this: We don't live in a static society--laws change according to the needs and will of the people. Business practices change for the same reasons. Food stamps became contraband to sell because they were being misused. That's a non-issue today, they have been "demonetized" and legalized. They are no longer needed and their only real function now is as a collectible.

Ebay is not just a flea market it is a global Grand Bazaar. It is the first place buyers go to find collectibles. Telling sellers to go elsewhere to offer a legal collectible is to lock them out of a huge segment of the market. Applying a "my way or the highway" approach is only fair when there is genuine market competition. I don't see it. If you know of coin or currency dealers on Amazon.com please chime in.

EBay has a responsibility to adhere to changing legislation, not just new laws, but old laws taken off the books. But it's become such an automated behemoth there's not a lot of attention paid to anything outside of commerce. Policy changes only come from a very tiny group of people. It takes a lot to get them to listen and even more to make them think.

tlasch, despite the naysayers, this is a noble and worthy fight. Start by asking the USDA to write a letter to eBay. If that doesn't work, take it to a Congressman. Really. A call from a congressional office will set off alarm bells in any company's legal office. Write letters to the editor in the major numismatic publications. Offer to write an article on the situation. Post on public blog sites for collectors--believe me these are monitored by eBay. Be logical, be patient, and be tenacious. Soon enough this argument will be self-evident to everyone involved.

 

Extremely well stated, gsalexan! Well Done!
Steve

 

I'm going to put on my Libertarian hat... tlasch, what right have you to demand regulation on how eBay chooses to operate its business? Now I'm going to take off my Libertarian hat.

eBay is a business. They charge 12% to use their services, and starting sometime in April, that 12% will cover shipping charges too. If you think about it, that level of greed may create scenarios under which the seller is making a palsy 80-85% of what the item actually lists for (since they'll need to subsidize eBay's shipping surcharge). Unlike an actual auction house, where the consigner contracts the auction house to publicize the item, eBay claims to be merely a venue of exchange.

My issue with eBay is the asinine mentality that they promote of "we're merely a venue... but we take a commission off of every transaction, even those not directly related to the sale." That said, CL markets itself as a free classifieds site where you can transact similar things on a local level. Smaller market v Larger market. Free v 12-15% surcharge.

Until people stop using eBay, we (I include myself) subject ourselves to the rules they establish. You can grumble about eBay policies all that you want, but at the end of the day, they're a part of a publicly traded corporation. As long as there are other auction sites, and they don't ban all other payment processors, eBay can operate under any policies which conform to the laws and standards of the marketplaces within which eBay exists. There is no law stating that all private businesses must accept all business from every individual. It's a business' right under the law to refuse service for reasons not considered violations of civil rights.

eBay chooses to not allow the sale of Food Stamps. Even if the USDA and Congress say it's legal, it's still within eBay's right to not accept them for sale on the site. Just because the representative that you interacted with used incorrect terminology doesn't preclude eBay from being able exercise this right to refuse business.

eBay. It's the American way!

 

Each right comes with a responsibility. If EBay has every right to establish their own rules, they have the responsibility to listen to their clients and make logical decisions. If they have a right to say what can't be sold on their venue, they have a responsiblity to explain why.

Coin Talk. The real American way.

 

Their responsibility is to respond to what the consumer's dollars dictate. So long as you're willing to use their services, they ARE acting in a responsible manner. If you really believe they aren't being responsible, don't use their service. It's very simple.

 

Well, we both know that half of Finland would have to defect from eBay before it would even register on their bottom line. But to flip your line of reasoning, if dollars equals votes, then what about all the votes not being counted? Maybe they can measure a drop of revenue but how do you measure the dollars *not* generated, that could be?

My real issue with eBay -- which I mostly like, incidentally -- is ethical. Let's say they decided to ban the sale of Hummel figurines because they were thought to contain lead. Later they were proven safe, but eBay left them on the banned list. How is that fair to sellers who have them in stock or buyers who want to collect them? Yes, eBay has the prerogative to do what it pleases, but *should* it? Shouldn't it just do the right thing? I'm just kind of amazed that anyone would argue in favor of corporate irresponsibility or belittle someone who's just trying to remedy the situation.

 

Vote for Meg...NOT

 

To the OP Tschach - Why don't you start a website much like this one? You could buy/sell/trade food stamp coupons with other people, have a forum, and have your own auction, handled "your way". Closet Collectors Unite! You probably would be able to add to your collection significantly, and trade off your extras! Yahoo has forum openings, you could start your own. What do you think?

 

At the paper money main page (http://www.cointalk.com/f31/), you'll see a button toward the top that says "Post New Thread". Click that, and off you go.

Dave

 

its funny... i thought food stamps are not accepted anywhere anymore... they have totally moved to EBT cards which is a reloadable visa!!! so food stamps in the actual "stamp" form are no longer valid anyway right?

 

Right. That's kind of the point of the thread -- there's no longer a reason for eBay to ban them in the collector market. If you read the first few postings it explains the real issue.

 

I was perusing eBay's Want it Now and saw that apparently it's OK to want 'em! For the OP or others looking to sell, here's a buyer:
http://wantitnow.ebay.com/Paper-food-stamps-USDA_W0QQadidZ270721470483

 

it makes you think about they do make up the rules as they go it was just in the news that the norfed liberty dollars are conterfit and can not be sold
but e-bay is letting them go but not the food coupons

 

It wouldn't surprise me if Ebay takes down the NORFed dollars soon.