a few coin books

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by kaosleeroy108, Mar 17, 2011.

  1. kaosleeroy108

    kaosleeroy108 The Mahayana Tea Shop & hobby center

    hi folks i have a few really good coin books on CD and wanted to know if anyone would like to have them..


    question 1 is this illegal ??
    question 2 isnt knowledge free ??
    question 3 im sending all my hard books to the library isnt it the same thing??
     
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  3. Rhino89

    Rhino89 "Roubles"

    My suggestion is that you keep your CD to yourself and not pass them around freely like that.

    Yes, knowledge is free, but you'll get into trouble when it normally costs money to buy the book that ended up on that CD in a digital format. The authors and publishing companies will not be happy with you taking their profits (just like the music industry and their crusade against pirating - music is supposed to be free, too, right? not always). There are a LOT of books available online for download, and you can definitely save an extraordinary amount of money on references by getting these copies, but it's very dangerous and I wouldn't advise spreading it around.

    I'm not saying anyone on this site has bad intentions, but think of it this way: let's assume I wanted one of your CDs. You mail it to me, great. I now have your name, address, and proof of you violating US copyright laws, AND on top of that I know what books so I know what publishing companies to contact. I know you have good intentions, that's not a question, but I'm more worried for your safety there.

    Keep it to yourself and enjoy your books :smile
     
  4. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    No, knowledge is not free when you are making copies of something spent a great deal of money putting together and you are stealing potential sales from them. Without sales of coin books, or books on cd, then the authros of these products cannot afford to put them together. Without this profit the coin hobby will HAVE no books, no new knowledge. This is the same as illegal music or movie downloads, stealing is stealing.

    Now, you CAN legally make copies of something the copyright has expired on, but that usually means books 75 years or older. You can always write to an author and ask permission to copy his book, but you have to remember the author is the ONLY PERSON authorized to allow copies, not you, not the publisher, not a fly by night Ebayer.
     
  5. coleguy

    coleguy Coin Collector

    Google Books is free, and it's full of newer books. Is it any more wrong to share links to these works as it would be to share cd's of them?
    Guy
     
  6. rickmp

    rickmp Frequently flatulent.

    READ: http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/cyber/ipr/ipr
     
  7. fretboard

    fretboard Defender of Old Coinage!

    It is not the same thing at all because if you are giving books to the library you are not infringing on anyone's copyright. I know it doesn't seem like much b/c ppl burn music CD's all the time (which is illegal as well) but it is a huge violation of copyright laws and much worse than the music comparison. It's just wrong on sooo many levels, but I'm glad the subject came up. :thumb:
     
  8. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    Googlebooks either have to have the authors permission or have the copyright expired on the book. If they posted a Steven King book or a new Krause publication they would face enormous lawsuits. Copyright gives exclusive rights to distribution to authors of anything, music, movies, and books. You buying a book give you private reading rights to it, and the right to physically sell the printed book. That is all.
     
  9. coleguy

    coleguy Coin Collector

    Yes, I'm well versed in copyright law. As a side note, the work need not be published to be covered. In fact, by law, these very words are copyright protected, but under the provisions and guidelines of this forum I waived the rights to that protection upon signing up for membership. The op never mentioned what books on cd he had, so to assume it illegal for him to disperse the material was premature. Copyrights can extend till the death of the original author plus 70 years, but this is almost never the case. In fact, I can't site any instances where this happened. Most become public domain well before that time.

    So, what books do you have?
    Guy
     
  10. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Just try copying a book by Mark Twain and then try selling it. You'll probably be in court before the summons gets to you.

    Copyright can be re-newed by the current owners of that copyright, and often is.
     
  11. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    Most may become public domain, but usually not corporate titles or relevant non-fiction titles as most coin books are. I have seen some older, (100 years old), drop off, but not as many as you would think. Some RIC's were first published in 1926, but try electronically publishing it and see how fast Spink will stop you. Yes, it would be good to see what titles they are, I am willing to wager they are protected. Many people see things like this listed on Ebay and think its ok, its not ok simply hasn't been caught and prosecuted yet.

    EDIT: I am really not picking on you kaosleeroy, just explaining this to everyone else reading. We appreciate you willing to participate and share, I am just objecting to what you were offering to share.
     
  12. coleguy

    coleguy Coin Collector

    I agree that it's likely they are protected works.

    Doug's example of Mark Twain books as being copyright extended is a good example. Penny Whimsy falls into that category as well. But only big sellers usually carry that distinction. As a copyright holder myself, I know and respect the works they protect. Thats kept me from buying free music all these years even at the expense of my friends laughing because I still insist on having the cd and not the digital download.
    Guy
     
  13. Ripley

    Ripley Senior Member

    Yep, RIC copies nomatter how old would surely graw fire. With the individual volumes going for $200 + a piece.
     
  14. kaosleeroy108

    kaosleeroy108 The Mahayana Tea Shop & hobby center

    ok so if i upload them to google docs and share them is that illegal??
     
  15. kaosleeroy108

    kaosleeroy108 The Mahayana Tea Shop & hobby center

    well most of the books are on google docs


    2010 Standard Catalog of World Coins 1901-2000, (37th Edition)
    A Charlton Standart Catalogue Canadian Coins
    A Guide Book Of United States Coins 2010
    Australasian Token And Coins - Ed 1921
    Catalogo Arg Janson 1881 2007
    Krause 2010 Standard Catalog of World Coins 21st Century 4th Edition 2001 to Date [2009, PDF]
    Krause. U.S. Coin Digest, 3rd Edition
    Krause. Unusual World Coins, 4th Edition
    NorthAmericanCoins+Prices
    Standard Catalog of World Coins 1601-1700__4th_Edition
    Standard Catalog of World Coins 1701-1800, 3rd Edition
    Standard Catalog of World Coins 1801-1900__5th_Edition
    Strike_Doubling_Flyer_-_PDF
    The Complete Guide to Lincoln Cents
    Walter Breen's Encyclopedia of U.S. and Colonial Proof Coins 1722-1977
    i have more but there in spanish and stuff,,
     
  16. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Yes I think you'd have a problem if you tried uploading any of those books.
     
  17. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Yes.
     
  18. Collector1966

    Collector1966 Senior Member

    Actually, it appears that the Mark Twain example probably does not apply, since all of his works that were published before 1922 are public domain because he died more than 100 years ago.
     
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