Not attractive, But interesting.Help please

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by jandj, Feb 11, 2006.

  1. jandj

    jandj New Member

    3 Nickels. 1939 is it Die Fatigue or Split serifs?

    1959 D Strange stuff, S and E look like split serifs, but what causes these valleys of pits?

    1982 P Same thing with swirling Valleys of pitting.
     

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  3. jandj

    jandj New Member

    1959 D
     

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  4. jandj

    jandj New Member

    1982 P
     

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  5. jandj

    jandj New Member

    Almost forgot, whats up with the eye on the 1959 D? looks wierd
     

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  6. jandj

    jandj New Member

    One more of the 1982 P
     

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  7. lawdogct

    lawdogct Coin Collector

    1939 looks like a possible double die.
    The 1959 looks like a very worn die.
    The 1982 may be the result of a worn die, or a rusted die (I forget the term for that).

    Just my guesses.
     
  8. chocho

    chocho Senior Member

    Whats split serifs ??? :eek:
     
  9. jandj

    jandj New Member

    By far I am no expert but I will try to explain split serifs the best I can. When you see what looks like doubling and the Letters or Numbers are offset to the side just a little ?::'
    ;l,/,/, and you know what, I can't explain it! I just know that when you can tell there is clearly more than one of a letter or number and it is not strike doubling ect. . There are many different typs of Doubling. I will let one of the experts explain:headbang: :headbang: :desk: :desk:
     
  10. chocho

    chocho Senior Member

    Grins...I read it... :goofer: Nice try:thumb: ...Thank you I couldn't have said it better myself.:high5:
    Someone here will know how to explain it to me..
    Rujam gets an E for effort..:D Thank You rujam for trying...:hail:
     
  11. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator


    This should explain it - CLICK HERE


    Read the entire thread at the top titled Learn About Die Doubling, be sure to click on all the links in the various posts in that thread and read that too. Then you should have a pretty good understanding.
     
  12. chocho

    chocho Senior Member

    Gee Thanks.. That I understood.. Lot's of Information There...
    Really ..Thank You All very much for Your help..
    Coin Talk...What a Wonderful Place to Learn :thumb:
     
  13. jandj

    jandj New Member

    Thanks for finding the Humor in my reply chocho:) I was Laughing myself when I was trying to explain it. I have so much to learn, but having such a good time doing it. I think after many a let-down though, I finally understand Split Serifs as opposed to mechanicle Doubling
     
  14. foundinrolls

    foundinrolls Roll Searching Enthusiast

    Hi,
    The 1939 is a doubled die. They are split serifs. Before you get too excited though, it is a common thing to see on Jefferson Nickels. Almost every War Nickel has the same split serifs. If you guys want to look, just randomly select a few war nickels and look. The Jefferson Nickel has had those splits in the serifs for more years than I can mention.
    Still interesting as an example of lettering with split serifs.

    Have Fun,
    Bill
     
  15. foundinrolls

    foundinrolls Roll Searching Enthusiast

    The other two nickels are clasasic examples of coins that were struck by very worn dies. That waviness and the "doubling" are the signs.
    The doubling is dure to extreme wear around the outside edges of the lettering on the dies.
    The copper-nickel composition used for the Jeffersons is a very hard alloy. Dies wear out like crazy but they are not retired soon enough.
    Have Fun,
    Bill
     
  16. chocho

    chocho Senior Member

    Was reading... and thinking... I have an old nickel somewhere, would have to look for it.. Had it put away for a while now.. it has an outline around a lot of stuff.. looks like a doublied die to me.. but just never knew for sure, he has a line all the down the edge of his nose, and his bottom lip, If I remember right maybe even on the back of his neck or hair..not sure.. gonna have to find that thing and bring it it for You all to look at. *grins*
     
  17. Just Carl

    Just Carl Numismatist

    For sure the 39 one has minor doubling. Me thinks we pay to much attention to such minor errors on coins. AHHHH, but alas there. I go to about 2 coin shows a month around here and coin errors have sky rocketed in value. Over the years there was seldom a call for error coins unless they were tabulated in the Red Book. But nowadays with the super increase in coin types, varieties and so many people writing books on coins, errors have really gone up in value. Coins such as that 39 used to be a few cent novelty but now are boing for at least $5 to $10 areas.
     
  18. jandj

    jandj New Member

    Thanks foundinrolls,

    But as for just Carl-- I must say that that is the second time I have heard that said on this forum.
    It reminds me of a time that I went to a local Coin Dealer, I went in to sell a couple of Coins one of which was a 1995 DD lincoln cent. He was an Older Gentlemen that said " well it mite be dublin but if i caint see it thew uh 10x lup, it aint good nuf." Well I went down the street and had no problem selling it. You see I had done my research and of course knew it to be a Doubled Die. Now I am trying to understand the distress some are feeling over the fact we can get down on these coins and see clearly whats going on. The Old Dealer was easy to figure out, he wanted to make me believe the coin was worth less:eek: So are some affraid that if we look and find something that has not been found before, that it may take away from the value of a Coin in their Collection? I mean what makes that statement come out? Isn't coin research and this Forum what it's all about? We research, we post ( with pics if possible), we ask questions, we get answers, AND YES SOME OF US HOPE TO GET LUCKY ONE DAY!
     
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