Help on grading this coin???

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Tompkins316, Feb 5, 2011.

  1. Collector1966

    Collector1966 Senior Member

    Actually, the "anti-cleaning" mood of collectors, as far as my memory serves me, only goes back a few decades. One elderly serious collector back in 1967 or so advised me to use a stand-alone eraser to clean coins. Another one advised me to use Wright's Silver Cream to clean silver coins. Still another advised me to use baking soda to remove dirt and grime from coins. They were all serious collectors, but their attitudes toward cleaning were much different from what is common in the hobby today.
     
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  3. Tompkins316

    Tompkins316 Member

    hmmmm interesting, thanks

    But I still don't think the coin was cleaned seeing it in person. Especially cuz I bought a Liberty V Nickel before that was cleaned and it looks 100x different than this barber dime. Maybe if I can get my sister to use her camera it will look better.

    Thanks for the continued help and input everyone
     
  4. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Tompkins -

    You can buy 100 harshly cleaned coins and every one of them will look different than every other one of them. That's because there are probably several thousand different ways to harshly clean a coin.

    Learning to consistently identify harshly cleaned coins is probably the hardest thing there is in numismatics to learn.
     
  5. Tompkins316

    Tompkins316 Member

    can the coin still have pretty much full luster after it was cleaned? Thats what I don't know since the coin (despite the pics from the scanner) is completely shiny, except for the couple problem areas already stated.
     
  6. rzage

    rzage What Goes Around Comes Around .

    Yes a coin can still have luster after being cleaned , but only the accepted way by dipping , which is in itself a controverial subject , but each dipping does take away some of the luster . If it was harshly cleaned chanes are the luster will be impaired . If in doubt about a coin don't dip it . Leave it to NGCs conservation dept.
    rzage
     
  7. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    No, not if it was harshly cleaned. But shiny does not equal luster. Shiny can easily be achieved by polishing a coin that has zero luster.

    That said, I see no signs of luster in your pics, but that can be because of the pics. But you said you bought the coin at a farmer's market - one of the places that are notorious for selling problem coins. That just adds to the likelihood that the coin actually is a problem coin. And polishing would wipe out most traces of harsh cleaning as well. So that might be why you say the coins lokks different than other harshly cleaned coins you have seen.

    I guess what I don't know Tompkins is if you have the experience to distinguish a coin with mint luster from a coin that has been polished. Many a collector has been fooled by polished coins or even whizzed coins.

    Now you may well have the experience, so I am not trying to be insulting or disrespectful. I am saying that I don't know you or what your experience level is - that's all.
     
  8. Tompkins316

    Tompkins316 Member

    well thank you for not being insulting or disrespectful...I am just a beginner and don't have much experience so you help is appreciated.

    I'll see if pics with a camera come out better than the scan. But is there a way you can tell me that might help me determine is it is polished as opposed to mint luster? Since I can look at the physical coin itself. Because to me at least, the coins shine looks just like the same shine if I were to look at a fresh 2010 roosevelt dime. But I just might not have the experience to differentiate regardless.

    I want to learn this kind of stuff anyway because I already am very wary of buying cleaned or tampered with coins. If I have a bad feeling about it I usually don't take it. I'm hoping I had the right feeling with the old guy I bought it from. He really seemed genuine and legit. I guess you would call the place a farmers market...I'm not sure what else it could be called, half of it is an actual market run by the Amish and the rest are small stores and antiques and stuff.
     
  9. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    This is probably as good as I can do to help you understand the difference. Read this - http://www.cointalk.com/t58435/
     
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