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And we're supposed to give great weight to the opinion of someone who wiped a coin?!

I would expect that any toning would "wipe off", if you "wiped" vigorously enough.

 

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If I might give some advice~ If you think the coin is AT, ( original question), just say that in your opinion it is, and any reason you may have. You can refer the OP to feedback records, but remember that doesn't confirm anything, just gives hearsay as "evidence". It is impossible to confirm AT by any chemical or physical test. It is just an opinion. TPG companies know this and use the terms "questionable color" or similar. They don't say "AT" on it, as they can't prove it, they just decline to grade it. By stating something unprovable as true, when you are talking about a person's reputation, you might someday have to answer in a legal environment.

IMO,

Jim

 

If it's impossible to confirm it's AT, then it's also impossible to confirm that it's NT, no? The "preponderance of evidence" (Many coins with similar toning patterns that all do not follow the "natural" pattern of toning) in this situation points towards the coins being AT.

Long story short, if he wants to sue me, he can knock himself out, he's just ****ing away his money and time.

 

Read the FB and make your own judgement.
Although I suspect from the 'tone' of your post that you full well know what the FB says.

And... No, toning does NOT wipe off.

 

That is correct, and why I prefer the term " Market Acceptable toning".

The thing is that the ad doesn't mention toning at all, it doesn't claim AT nor NT. All it uses is the term "Beautiful", so no one is really refuting a claim the ad makes, They are implying their own claim, and then torching him based on their own opinion. As I said, you can give an opinion on a coin's cause of toning ( although the difference between AT and NT has never had a definite differentiation besides "intent", which is unknown here), grade, and as to whether you would buy it or not, without going farther.

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I think the intent here is pretty clear... the dude tones coins to make money... I dare say he intentionally creates attractive toning patterns on coins in order to defraud others of their money.

 

If anyone looks at that coin and believe it could be NT I would advise you to either buy untoned coins or simply purchase toned coins already in PCGS or NGC holders. While this does not eliminate the possibility of buying a coin that it AT I would say it will protect you 98% of the time This seller told me I was ruining the hobby when I outed him on these very forums, he then went into my photobucket account and found unlocked folders with vacation pictures and made fun of me and my family, finally he sent me nasty threatening e-mails through Ebay until I finally reported him to Ebay safeharbor. If this is the type of seller you want to buy from...please be my guest.

 

Sounds like a real a-- h--- . If he's AT toning coins , and I'm saying that tounge in cheek , he's the one that's trying to ruin the hobby .
rzage

 

Can't say it any better than that Merc! :thumb: I'll debate the attractive part, cause Silver & Copper will tone if you look at it wrong. I would like to see his work on creating rainbows (Including Green) on nickel/clads...

To help on the original Q; When someone has talent ATing coins, than it's going to be tough! There is some pointers to look for, and maybe we should create a write up cause it's a lot of typing.
Post your pics here, we can help. Invest in a real toned Morgan or something and you will soon see that NT looks awesome at a distance, but close up the gradient aren't perfect!
Don't buy into the clown color argument - again it depends on talent. The sellers feedback - obviously.
That's all I got for now - to tired,,,,

 

F as in Frank? No. F as in Fishy. R as in......... RUNAWAY FROM IT!!!!!

 

it's completely up to you but if you want to throw your money away buy from that guy...also if you want some ocean front property I know of some land on the Nebraska-Kansas border... heck I bet I could talk the owner into giving you a row boat for the right price and a fishing pole too for an added price...

 

Not true, My NGC washington quarter, 1932 says on the holder "unc details, artificially toned". I don't believe it is but they do and stated such on the holder.

 

His feedback is just scary!

 

There are a half dozen "doctors" on ebay, search washington quarter toned and you will see who they are. Ask them if the coins are NT or AT and they will generally say AT. Rule of thumb, if its nicely toned and not slabbed, it's AT.

 

I think you should say a general rule of thumb and it's certainly good advice but I have picked up some absolutely monster NT coins raw off Ebay but I am very well versed in all things toned so my risk is much much less than most folks when taking the leap but there is still a risk even for me.