Worried..............

NCS is your best bet , but there is no guarantee you coin will be assigned the grade it previously was. It's worth the shot though. Good luck whatever you decide.

 

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Just received the coin, it's in a plastic flip with a label saying ''1913 1c, NOT ENCAPSULATED PVC''. It has a small piece of paper mentioning NCS with their phone. I know a coin collector in Hawaii is going to be calling them....

"Important message:
This NGC coin has been evaluated and is a good candidate for NCS Conservation."

 

I'm not surprised .

 

Did you save the cracked slab? I wonder what would happen if you contacted ANACS and explained nicely the situation.

 

I saved the inside that holds the coin and I have the label that states the grade for PROOF. Not the outside plastic itself.

Here's the original auction listing:


http://coins.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=1145&Lot_No=8849

 

The reason PVC coins still get bodybagged is because the slime is acidic and can continue to do damage to the coin even after slabbing. By sending it to NCS, you'll stabilize the coin and get it slabbed for about $60+shipping.

 

good luck with that!
i sent a PCI slabbed trade $ to ANACS they sent it back pvc damage.
so i cracked it out,did a acetone bath and sent it back. then they said they could not authenticate it. thanks for telling me that after it was cracked out. called them and they said we can give you a free grading. wow whoopee!

 

In my opinon NGC and PCGS play the game where you have to keep submitting coins until you get what you want, I know a guy who has sent in the same peace Dollar 11 times. Also nail polish remover, done correctly, can remove the pvc safely I think.

 

Please do not use nail polish remover only use pure acetone. Nail polish remover has other chemicals that will harm the coin. There are many threads within the forum explaining this.

 

I know that this is an old thread but the fact of the matter is that PVC is clear and nearly undetectable except for the strong "shower curtain" odor that it emits. For the record, the source of PVC on these coins was a series of coin albums sold many, many years ago. They were quite popular as they displayed the coins in clear sleeves. PVC was the agent added to the clear plastic to make it soft and pliable. As such, many coins were lost until the culprit was uncovered.

It is totally possible for clear PVC residue to be on a coin and still have the coin slabbed by a TPG. ANACS is not alone in this department and given the fact that verdigris also has a green appearance on copper coins, its possible that Heritage did not identify it as PVC.

What was the outcome of the submission to NCS?

 

According to NGC's website, PVC does stand for PolyVinylChloride. The reason for returning it in a body bag is that they say that PVC contamination is an active process and that the coin would suffer over time if encapsulated. NGC guarantees their grading and would take a hit if they encasulated a coin that was undergoing an active degredation. They recommend sending the coin in question to NCS for proper cleaning and then resubmit to NGC for an actual grade. There is hope for your coin yet.

 

I sent the coin in to NCS regarding the PVC to be removed, I (guess) that it has been successfully removed. It came back ungraded, but slabbed as "Proof, Altered Color". My guess is they dipped it in acetone or something....I don't know what you would use to remove PVC. Despite the one spot where the PVC was, it is a nice coin. I don't have my camera with me right now, but I will post pictures of before and after if you wish. It still makes me pretty mad when I think about it, but I learned to not think about it. Still a scarce coin with a very low mintage and survival rate. That is what makes me feel a little better.

 

Remember , the new policy at NGC from early 2011 states that they will "not" do crossover grading from any other slabs except PCGS unless the coin is first removed ... either by the submitter or by NGC. Read the NGC policy here.
http://www.ngccoin.com/news/viewarticle.aspx?IDArticle=1335

 

Now that is something I never knew....even if I didn't crack the coin out of that old ANACS holder, they wouldn't have accepted it.

 

That policy is relatively recent and was not in effect back when you did your initial submission to NGC. Back then you could have sent the ANACS slab in for crossover.

 

Do you now understand how this could have happened?

 

I don't really catch your drift. My main guess, is that the coin had PVC damage at the time it was slabbed but it wasn't noticeable. After the coin sat in that old slab for years, the PVC got worse and was now noticeable. But as I said, MPL's in all grades problem or none are scarcer than an 09-S VDB or any of those other famous and rare key dates. I have a really hard time finding any MPL's, and where I am where there's no big time coin dealers, it's pretty difficult! Go to a coin show and you'll see several 09-S VDB Cents, while you may only see a couple MPL's. I guess I can try resubmitting the coin to see if I can get a grade.....by details, I figure the coin is atleast a 63 or 64. I first thought it was a 64 when I first got it, that is what gave me the idea to submit it to NGC.

 

Uploaded a few pictures of the 1913 MPL that was bodybagged. The PVC damage was on the reverse between the ONE CENT.







And here are the pictures taken BEFORE the coin was submitted. This was when it still had the active PVC contamination.







Here's the label after I got the coin back from NCS.





Here's two pictures from Heritage:

 

Another possibility is that it never had any PVC residue on it in the first place and was rejected for an oil film. I think a lot of stuff get called PVC which isn't just like a lot of stuff get called verdigris when it isn't.