I have been working on 2x2ing some of the coins I have lying around here. When I got to some of my 2003 coins I noticed that there are two versions of the queen. The younger efigy with a crown and the older uncrowned queen. My Coins of Canada book only mentions the new uncrowned version. All of them are P coins. Does anyone have any more info about the quantity of each minted and any difference in value? I only have this info: .01$- unknown quantity of each with the same value of .10-.25$ .05$- 93 million uncrowned at .35$ for MS-63 .10$- 162 million uncrowned at .25$ for MS-63 .25$- 88 million uncrowned @ .75$ for MS-63
Mintage for 1 cent Crowned 235,936,799 Uncrowned 354,994,666 Mintage for 5 cent Crowned 31,388,921 Uncrowned 61,392,180 Mintage for 25 cent Crowned 15,905,090 Uncrowned 66,861,633 Charlton did not have seperate mintage numbers for dimes. Also as of yet there is no real price differance between crowned and uncrowned.
Both versions actually depict the Queen wearing a crown. What this section is supposed to be about is comparing Dora De Pedery-Hunt's portrait to the one by Susanna Blount.I prefer the former,as the latter is just so terrible. Fortunately,we have got Ian Rank-Broadley's portrait of the Queen on our coins here in New Zealand. Aidan.
Are you looking at the right coins, because on Susanna Blunt's portrait of the Queen, the Queen is not wearing a crown. To each their own I guess, I thought that version made the Queen look fat.
I agree Defiant , there is deffinately no crown. Aidan, actually this thread was asking about the numbers of each minted and their respective values, not a debate about how attractive each one is to various people. Thanks though.
Yes,you are right about the new portrait of the Queen on Canadian coins.I had a look at my 2003 25c. coin,& yes,she is not wearing a crown.The letter 'P' is NOT a mintmark.It is an indicator that the coin is struck from plated metal. Aidan.
Yeah the mint started up full production at a new plating facility (Winnipeg) in 2001, the P indicates the coin was struck from one of the blanks produced at the new facility. There is often quite a difference in the mint quantities between the P and no P coins. Some years are only P coins, others have both "versions". The P coins can be struck at either the Ottawa or Winnipeg mints. If I remeber correctly 2001 is also the year they changed the composition of the coins to nickel plated steel (whether or not they are marked with P)
SheDragon,I have a pair of the 2001 5c. coins.The one without the 'P' is the cupro-nickel one,whereas,the one with the 'P' is the plated one.The latter has a very shiny look to it,whereas,the former has discoloured. Aidan.
According to my info the compostion for the nickel changed to nickel-plated steel in 2000, not sure why yours would look different; as far as I know they are all plated. Haven't heard of the cupro-nickel before, do you have any info on it? The P does not indicate a plated coin it indicates that the coin was struck from on of the blanks produced at the new plating facility.
SheDragon,that is not correct.Charlton lists the composition change as being from 2001.There were some test tokens struck in 2000.If you haven't got a Charlton catalogue,you can go here; www.charltonpress.com/Numismatics2.asp . Aidan.
I agree with that. You would think that because of the switch the crowned would become more valuiable. Also note from defiant7 post of mintage the crowned are also lower mintage. I am assuming since no dime mintage data yet in thread that the quarter being at a 1 to 4 ratio would be the one to go up in value the most and maybe the fastest. Fastest being many many years because it is still a huge mintage number. Thats an assumption though. Also when loooking around I found this info for the quarter. 2003P Crowned .75 / 2.00 / 5.00 2003WP Crowned 10 2003P Uncrowned .75 / 2.00 / 5.00 found that on this site. http://www.stanford.edu/~clint/cp/25.htm Do the guides show the three versions?
Yes, but WP coins were only found in the Coronation Brilliant Uncirculated sets, Charlton does not have individual prices for the coins. Mintage is 71,142
I did notice the difference in mintage quantities between the two and agree that it would be better to "stock up" on the crowned version. Funny, my book says that the change was in 2000 with an overlap of the old composition. I would not classify them as "test tokens", but whatever. I found info on the cupro nickel alloy; it was used from 1982-2001. The nickel plated steel composition was introduced in 2000, hence the overlap. That would probably explain the difference in appearance of your two coins. The figures I have are: 2000 106 million 2000 P 5 million (produced using the new composition from blanks plated at the "new" facility) 2001 30 million (new composition) 2001 P 137 million (produced using the new composition from blanks plated at the "new" facility)
Although they were refered to as "Test Tokens", they were not tokens at all but real coins with a face value. Usually when the Canadian Mint changed the composition of their coins they would produce test tokens to see how they would turn out, these were actual tokens with no face value. But in 1999 when the mint was thinking of changing to the plated steal coins, the vending machine companies wanted to be able to test their machines with actual coins and not possible coins that may not be made, so in 1999 and 2000 the mint released test coins to the vending machine companies with the assumption they would be returned to the mint. However some of these coins did make it into circulation. So technically the official change over occured in 2001, it is not wrong to say the process began in 2000. In my opinion anyways.
I went to the store and grabbed the 2006 charlton to have a look into why no dimes. Dimes are listed however at mintage of 162,398,000 for I think it was the crowned version 2003p. When you go to look at the uncrowned though it says included or inclusive. I dont have a great memory so I might have that backwards. Anyways this means that the mintage number I gave is for both styles.
