what's the different?.

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  1. anchor1112

    anchor1112 Senior Member

    satin finish, proof like, and matte finish. all uncirculated. what's the different?. anyone. show photos for comparison. thanks.
     
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  3. anchor1112

    anchor1112 Senior Member

    satin finish, etc...

    if no one can distinguish these three uncirculated. then i will presumed it is the same.
     
  4. kaparthy

    kaparthy Well-Known Member

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    They are not the same.

    For one thing, "satin" only applies to gold. I know that some people use it to mean "looking like satin" -- what a surprise!:) -- and apply to descriptions of silver coins.

    Uncirculated coins may or may be satin or matte. Satin and Matte refer to the entire surface, the devices as well as the fields. Obviously, a coin with a mirror field and frosty devices cannot be "matte." Also -- again technically -- matte refers to a process of the Paris Mint, used in the USA before World War I.

    Technicalities aside, you cannot confuse "satin" and "mirror" but "matte" and "satin" might mean the same thing to a seller who does not know the difference.

    Generally speaking prooflike means mirror fields and frosty devices. Though -- again, technically -- a business strike from 1910 that looked satiny could also be "prooflike."

    All of this is in the ANA Grading Guide.
     
  5. anchor1112

    anchor1112 Senior Member

    thanks mmarotta

    in this case, proof like (mirror) should be better than all of these. because it is more or near to a proof coin. and matte, satin is a more perfect when you collect an uncirculated coin. it is more of a general circulated coin but it is a very beautiful and attractive piece. so which one you really like most?. since i don't like proof and proof-like. i rather choose satin or matte.
     
  6. tracy5900

    tracy5900 Coin Hoarder

    satin finish

    to: mmarotta, do you have photo for us to differentiate it?. thanks.
     
  7. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Here's some pics to compare satin & matte finishes. In 1921 the US Mint struck Proof Peace dollars with both a satin finish and a matte finish - CLICK HERE
     
  8. tracy5900

    tracy5900 Coin Hoarder

    matte and satin finish

    thanks gdjmsp. so which one you like most?. satin or matte finish?.
     
  9. tracy5900

    tracy5900 Coin Hoarder

    satin or matte finish

    well, i liked matte finish. because it looks like a real uncirculated or circulated coin.
     
  10. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I like 'em both actually, what difference there is, is quite subtle.
     
  11. tracy5900

    tracy5900 Coin Hoarder

    satin or matte

    so we have proof-like, satin finish, matte finish for uncirculated coins. and matte proof and satin proof for proof coins. is there other type aside from these that i did not mentioned?.
     
  12. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    With the coins struck for circulation or mint sets there used to be only 1 finish - brilliant. But now with the introduction of the '05 sets there two finishes - brilliant & satin. Proof like is not a type of finish, it is merely a term used to describe a business strike (circulation) coin with an especially nice surface.

    With Proof coins there 3 basic types of finish - brilliant, matte & satin.
     
  13. tracy5900

    tracy5900 Coin Hoarder

    satin or matte

    in other word, satin is the best for both proof and uncirculated coins. is it correct?.
     
  14. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator


    No, I am not saying that at all. I am merely listing the finish types that have been used over the years. I am not saying that one is better than another in any way, shape or form.

    With the coins being issued today we have the brilliant finish on coins struck for circulation. We have the satin finish used on coins in mint sets, the American Eagle business strike products and some commems. The matte finish was last used on a commemorative nickel issued in 1997. All of today's Proof coins are issued with the brilliant finish.
     
  15. tracy5900

    tracy5900 Coin Hoarder

    satin or matte

    wow! that's amazing. no wonder coin collecting can kill you folks. no food, no rest, just keep on searching and looking coins. that's a great past-time and hobby.
     
  16. coin7447

    coin7447 New Member

    Curious about value difference between Pl & Dpl ratings mostly NGC in ms grade gold coins. i.e. ms 63 vs ms 63 prooflike.
     
  17. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator


    Howdy coin7447 - Welcome to the Forum !!

    To be able to give you specific answers we would need more specific info, like what coin, date & mint mark. And while there would usually only be a small difference in value between an MS63 and an MS63 PL - there could be a substantial value difference between either of the first two and an MS63 DMPL.
     
  18. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    coin7447:
    First: Welcome.
    Next: PL and DPL values are not listed for a good reason. As compared to Morgan dollars, which spent a lot of time in canvas bags in the Treasury's vault and did not circulate, and, when released, went directly into collector's hands, where they were preserved as uncirculated coins. Therefore, the prooflike and deep Mirror Proof Like coins were preserved and are very popular today.
    However, gold coins and many types of coins are very unusual in proof like and probably down right rare in DMPL.
    The values are not listed for the same reason that the 1904 S Barber dime that I have in AU-50 (prooflike) is not valued in the trends, because it is an unusual coin, and not at all common. Gold coins in PL are very unusual, I have only owned one, ever, and that was back in the mid 1970's. I sold it for a very nice profit at the time, and have never seen another like it.
    Good luck.
     
  19. coin7447

    coin7447 New Member

    hi coin 7447 here, thanks for the feedback, sorry about slow response, lost my password., anyway coins in question; 1894 ms 61 pl & 1894s ms 61 pl. Wife bought these two as B-day present for me from nieghborhood " reputlable " coin dealer. His sales pitch; only 13 & 20 respectfluly graded NGC, none PCGS,however plenty graded in ms 61 thru 64 non prooflike. Figure if we put them in a box for about 30 years we'll get our money out of them, live & learn. Oh yea got a couple of cal. fractionals but they are DPL s so I'me not to worried about them. Any & all feedback appreciated. Thanks coin7447 Oh yea anybody want a couple of coins I'll throw in some oceanfront property in Arizona.
     
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