well, all errors can be called "uncommon". Thats what makes them errors! well, if i had to pick, id say mules
You want to see uncommon errors? View this website mikebyers.com where you'll see some of the wildest errors currently offered for sale today. I'd say there are many rarer errors than a flip over double strike,though that is scarce. How about the Sacagawea mule? wong planchet errors, off metal errors,ect. There's a world of wonder in error collecting! ~ Jim
I refuse to believe the sac mules are "errors". Unless you classify the 1913 "V" nickels as errors also.
May I ask - why ? At least 3 of the 10 known Sacky mules are genuine errors produced by the US Mint. Even the Mint admits this much. They were found in circulation by ordinary citizens and their origin was traced by the Secret Service and found to be perfectly legal. Admittedly the origin of the other 7 Sacky mules falls into question. At this time it is yet unknown if these 7 coins were produced by the Mint in the normal course of operation of it they were produced by Mint employees as part of a scam. What is know is that they were removed from the Mint by these employees and sold to the public. So while I do understand your comment & reasoning - it is not totally accurate.
I beg to differ, it is totally accurate that I refuse to believe these coins are errors. I may be 100% wrong in my belief ( happens all the time). It's hard for me to classify something as an error, that I feel was intentionally fabricated. Maybe it was a mistake that the mismatched dies were in the press, but to me, that's a human error, not a machine error. Matter of semantics, as is so much else in life. Thanks, Joe
But Joe - all error coins are intentionally fabricated. It's just that they are not supposed to end up as errors when the process is begun. You are, of course, entitled to your own opinion. But for most collectors, when even the Mint calls a coin an error - it is an error.
intentionally fabricated ... Aye, there's the rub. My belief holds that if the finished product is not what was meant to be produced, it is an error. There are exceptions, the Pinto and the Edsel come to mind. I believe that the sac mules were intentional, therefore (to me) they are not errors. Has the mint classified them as errors? I'd love to see the tap dancing press release on that! Does CONECA classify them as errors? FWIW, I do have several errors amongst all my other junk, but I do not actively collect them. So my opinions are certainly biased. Thanks, Joe
The mint did and still does classify them as errors. Since the size of the dollar coin and the quarter are nearly the same, this error is easy to explain. So your logic would still apply. The finished product is not as intended. Most errors are a result of human control. Be that in design, lack of quality control, or simply not paying attention. You have to take into consideration ....to err is human....
Joe - I obviously have not made myself clear. Only 3 coins out of the ten are considered by the Mint to be genuine errors. These particular 3 coins - and the Mint knows which ones they are - were released by the normal process into circulation by the US Mint. This not only makes them genuine errors - it also makes them legal to own. But only these 3 particular coins. This was all confirmed by an intensive investigation undertaken by the US Secret Service. As for the other 7 - you are correct in that it is believed that they were surreptitiously & intentionally fabricated by Mint employees in an effort to enrich themselves. It should be understood that this did not happen until after the first mules were discovered and sold on the open market. It was then that the Mint employees in question realized what profits they could gain if they made duplicates of these coins. It was then that they did so. This was also confirmed by the US Secret Service. So you see - there is difference for some of the Sacky mules. Three of them are genuine errors which were produced as part of the normal minting process. The other seven of the known ten mules were struck by Mint employees who deliberately matched the dies from the two different coins to produce the coins. For these 7 coins - I agree with you - they are not genuine errors. As for the press release about this that you mention - it was published in Coin World some time ago. And yes - I do believe that CONECA does classify them as errors also.
In re-reading your post, you did make it clear, I just didn't pay attention. Bad lifelong habit of mine. My collecting focuses on much older coins than current circulating issues, so I am really out of the loop. I was aware of the mules, but not the complete story. I promise to pay better attention in the future. Thanks,
I will say it's a double dated coin. In 1900, a properly struck 1899-dated Indian Head cent was channeled back into the coining process and fed into the coin press, resulting in an upside down, half off-center restrike bearing two different dates!
There are actually many double dated coins,even modern ones.However I'd agree that any specific year combination would be quite rare. ~ Jim
hi erkhes, in regard to flip over strikes, i have a plain edge, 1795 1/2c, f/o d/stk. !! 1st stk. is 15% o/c @ 5:00, & 2nd stk. is on center!! liberty's head can be seen inside the wreath, on the rev. of said coin!! i think o/c dbl. denom.'s are one of the hardest error types to find!! respectfully yours, brian quirk
As far as flipover strikes go, would it be reasonable to say that modern examples are harder to come by? I'm just guessing here, but to produce coins as rapidly as the mint does now, the dies don't seperate far enough for a coin to flip.
For a dodo can you describe what a "flip over strike" is. Sorry lack of knowledge here but wanting to learn