Genuine or Cast Counterfeit? (1796)

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by WingedLiberty, Nov 30, 2010.

  1. WingedLiberty

    WingedLiberty Well-Known Member

    I am sure that this coin would not grade
    But do you think it's Genuine or Counterfeit?

    The thing that I think is odd is how clear the date is, given the wear.

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  3. 900fine

    900fine doggone it people like me

    It's quite likely the coin was tooled to enhance the date and "LIBERTY", then abrasively refinished (even sandblasted) to hide the tooling marks. Then an attempt was made to recolor the coin to imitate natural patina.

    That's all speculation. One thing is clear - this coin has been messed with. Probably need to avoid this one unless one wants a bargain filler.
     
  4. 900fine

    900fine doggone it people like me

    Give it the ol' ring test... balance it on the tip of your finger, then gently tap the edge with another coin. A struck coin will ring like a tuning fork; a cast counterfeit or electrotype will have a dull thud.

    This test proves it's a struck piece, but doesn't prove it's genuine. It could still be a counterfeit struck from dies, which is quite possible with this piece. I personally doubt it, since the reverse has such a soft strike (common amongst the liberty caps). I would think a modern counterfeiter would get a better strike, but who knows.
     
  5. WingedLiberty

    WingedLiberty Well-Known Member

    hey thanks for that rick!
     
  6. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Genuine S-81, and the strong date is not unusual on this coin. The date is high up close to Liberty's sholder which is in relatively high relief and acted to protect the date. Also the obverses on these coins were cut in relatively high relief, but the reverses are typically cut much more shallowly. This results in the reverse often being worn smooth while the obverse still have good detail showing.
     
  7. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    I see nothing to suggest the coin is faked or has been tooled. The strike is typical for the variety as Conder points out.
     
  8. WingedLiberty

    WingedLiberty Well-Known Member

    hey thanks for the feedback conder and lead ... i see this stuff can be complicated!
     
  9. nerarities

    nerarities New Member

    It looks genuine to me!
     
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