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Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by jandj, Dec 18, 2005.

  1. huntsman53

    huntsman53 Supporter**


    rujam,

    Die Clashing occurs fairly often on Mercury Dimes but in no way as often as the Die Clashing that has been seen on numerous Morgan Silver Dollars! It would be hard to put any kind of number ratio on the occurrences but I would guess that 1 in 500 searched would have some Die Clashing although some would be very hard to identify.

    Look in the flat fields (surface) of the coin on both the Obverse and Reverse. Especially look under Miss Liberty's chin and behind her neck to just above the hairline on her neck on the Obverse, look inside and all around the periphery of the leaves, branches and stems of the twig (bush, branch or whatever it is called) and along the periphery of the axe. These are the areas which are harder to be grind or polish Die Clashing marks out between mintings!


    Frank
     
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  3. huntsman53

    huntsman53 Supporter**


    Bill,

    I see what you mean but there is definite separation in the Primary and Secondary strikes on both the "4" and "9" with what appears to be Split Serifs! I still think that the coin should be exmained even further. If I were rujam, I would have the coin looked at by a Grading Service Examiner and other coin experts such as Bill Fivaz (if he is in attendance) at a nearby Coin Show. It is much easier to determine types of doubling with the coin in hand!


    Frank
     
  4. jandj

    jandj New Member

    Thanks everyone, I will continue to look over the coin for Die Clashing, and will post again soon.:smile
     
  5. foundinrolls

    foundinrolls Roll Searching Enthusiast

    Hi,
    I agree,
    t is always better to see a coin "in hand" so you can turn it and tilt it to see what's what!
    Have Fun,
    Bill
     
  6. jandj

    jandj New Member

    So now I have some closer, but not too close pics of the Merc. I thought was a Doubled Eye. What I am looking for is info on whether or not this is a Clashed Die. The area I have traced around was found when I tried a different light angle. When the light comes from the other side, it does not show most of that feature, but does reveal more of the lines along the tip of the nose to the chin. There seems to be something going on where the chin or jaw meets the neck. If anyone can help or has any tips, please do;)
     

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  7. jandj

    jandj New Member

    a couple more..............
     

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  8. foundinrolls

    foundinrolls Roll Searching Enthusiast

    Hi Frank,
    I am confused by this comment. "Strikes" are not a factor with doubled dies in the way you are suggesting. There is no primary or secondary strike that causes the split serifs. If the die chatters or hops, you would get the appearance of separation as is seen on this coin. That is mechanical doubling in it's most basic form.
    Have Fun,
    Bill
    PS: Still. a coin in hand is worth everything when looking at small details like this.
     
  9. jandj

    jandj New Member

    Just to be clear. I am asking for any info anyone has on DIE CLASHING on this Merc. .

    And if no info can be provided, just check out the photos since I will not be able to put this coin in everyone's Hand:rolling:
     
  10. foundinrolls

    foundinrolls Roll Searching Enthusiast

    Hi,
    I cant see anything that looks like a die clash. If it's the fine lines you mean, that's evidence of dressing the die. Thats the fancy name for polishing it. It creates fine lines in the die that result in fine lines on the coin when it is struck.
    Have Fun,
    Bill
     
  11. jandj

    jandj New Member

    Thanks foundinrolls, but what about the thing over the eye?
     
  12. foundinrolls

    foundinrolls Roll Searching Enthusiast

    Hi Rujam,
    It does not appear to line up with anything that would be the result of a die clash.
    Bill
     
  13. jandj

    jandj New Member

    Thanks Bill! I guess maybe its a gouge or something.
     
  14. foundinrolls

    foundinrolls Roll Searching Enthusiast

    That would be my guess. Have a GREAt Day!!
     
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