Help with European silver piece

Discussion in 'World Coins' started by LostDutchman, Oct 19, 2010.

  1. LostDutchman

    LostDutchman Under Staffed & Overly Motivated Supporter

    Hey gang!

    I'm trying to figure this one out. Can anyone help?

    Thanks in advance!

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  3. swish513

    swish513 Penny & Cent Collector

    taking a guess... some real of ferdinand and isabella. the obverse legend, in part, says king and queen of castille. the reverse says ferdinand and isabella, by the grace of god.

    i've seen that obverse on a 4 real of f&i, but the legend surrounding it was more abbreviated.
     
  4. LostDutchman

    LostDutchman Under Staffed & Overly Motivated Supporter

    I forgot to add it's probably about the size of a us quarter or slightly larger.
     
  5. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    It's from the Netherlands, but I'm having a brain cramp and can't recall for the life of me what the denomination is right now :confused:
     
  6. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Hmmmm - I was thinking all of the bundled arrows designs were from the Netherlands, but apparently not. But those used in the Netherlands were countermarked, so that must be what I was thinking of. Pretty sure this one is a 2 reale, based on the reported size, struck at the Toledo mint in the 1570's. Can't pin it down any better than that.
     
  7. swish513

    swish513 Penny & Cent Collector

    i think you're wrong. the 1570's would make it a carlos and johanna reale, but the legend doesn't say carlos and johanna. it says ferdinand and isabella. i think i got this one right, just not the right denomination.
     
  8. DCH

    DCH Member

    Cayon lists the date on this as '1497 Y SS'(1497 and later?).
    This should be a 1 Real.
     
  9. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    That was an ooops on my part - hit the 5 instead of the 4. I was guessing an dgoing from memory regarding the date.

    If it's the size of quarter, it pretty much has to be a 2 reale.
     
  10. DCH

    DCH Member

    The pictures in Cayon, are 23-29mm for 1 Real and 26-32mm for 2 Reales. They may not be actual size? but later coins are.

    The pictures also show 'II' opposite the Mintmark for the 2 Reales.
     
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