(2) $10.00 National Bank Notes ..What do you think of the offset print??

OK, I finally picked these (2) National Bank Notes.

My question is look @ the seam on the Point Marion Note and help me verify the off set. It looks like a crooked cut but on the reverse side all looks good.

What do you thank?

Masontown - Type I
Point Marion - Type II

 

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Im not good with those types of errors, sorry! If the back is printed correctly, maybe...??

 

Yea I'm more into those banks and the S/N then the offset.

 

These were issued in half sheets of 6 notes to the banks. The banks cut them up any which way they pleased.
The Hudson National Bank (MA) must have used scissors. Their edges are very uneven and wavering on all issues that I have seen.

 

but for the face to be cut crooked, and the back to be perfectly straight? If the sheet had been printed correctly on face and back, then when the bank cut them up with scissors, the back and front would both be crooked, right??

 

Right, In this case more is going on than sloppy triming. There were problems with the original printing. It looks like somebody did a neat trimming job with the back side up.

 

If you look @ post 4 second picture facing up. You can see the difference in the border. The one that is cut at the end has a thicker border on top which means this was offset during print? That's the only thing I can come up with.

 

Looks like someone trimmed that one note at the bottom similar to a fractional

 

We really need someone really familiar with these sorts of things to chime in - RickieB, Lettow, Numbers... others???

at first thought, i really think its a bad print line up at the BEP. But admittedly, i am not as familair with the printing process to be sure.

 

One or the other of the sides is slightly misaligned. As someone else notes, these were delivered to the banks in sheets and cut by bank employees. Even taking this into consideration it appears that one side or the other is a bit off kilter.

If what you are really asking is whether this is an error that gives a premium to this note, I would say no. I would say it is a distraction that would lower its value compared to a better aligned note. Uneven margins are common on Nationals because they were hand cut. Since cutting took place outside the BEP these do not get much attention as an error. Even in a case like this one where the note is slightly misaligned.

 

+1

 

Asking if this is an error? Yes
Care to add premium? No.... It is what it is.
The numbers are written in the National Bank Note book and I doubt it will lower the cost (low serial number). If anything it adds character. Funny thing is I didn't even catch it until I got home nor did the seller.

 

I agree with lettow..
Any note that has been cut "into" the design is less attractive to the majority of collectors that I know or have dealt with.
As far as value, a migrating cut in the design most always reduces value unless the note is ultra rare.
This does not mean the note is "not collectible" by any means, it is simply a matter of perspective from a personal standpoint as well as acceptability of design infringement as far as the cutting goes.

RB

 

First i want to say these notes are really cool, i like them a lot. While i do think this is a printing error, and it appears cut fairly straight on the reverse of the note, i believe when grading companies examine a note one thing that detracts from the grade is a non uniform border. I'm curious in this situation where the back seems fairly uniform and the front is so far off, what a grading company such as pcgs or pmg would think. Thanks for sharing.

 

I don't think it's even a bad alignment, really. Remember, the printed area on the face side of a note is larger than the printed area on the back--hold a note up to the light, and the black printing will be larger than the green printing all the way around.

With that in mind, the Point Marion note looks pretty well aligned to me. From the face side, it's irregularly cut (by the bank) with the bottom closer than the top. From the back side...it's irregularly cut, with the bottom closer than the top. I'm pretty sure that, if this note were held up to the light, the green back printing would be inside the black face printing all the way around. The green might not be perfectly centered within the black, but it'd be inside. So even in that sense, there's no alignment error here. Lousy cutting job, yes, but as several folks have already said, that's common on this series where the notes were shipped to the banks in sheet form....

 

I'll go with that. Again, not until later in the day actually looking at it something looked different. I paid $250.00 for each and I think it will be a great piece in my collection.

 

i am probably wrong, but i cant tell if the backside is irregurarly cut. Maybe i need the note in hand to see. I do now notice the irregular cut on the face makes the note 'narrower' on that end, which i didnt notice before. it helps me better see your point.

Its the little things lol

Thanks guys