Just wondering how everyone else see's error coins? I am not an error coin guy, but if I come across any obvious coins with errors I do keep them however I don't see the point in error coins that you need a 30x magnification to even see the error. What's you view?????
I personally use a 30x because I collect Lincoln varieties that require it. At this level it's a bit esoteric and there are very few people out there who could care less if they have a 1959D RPM 123, but I'm one of those who enjoys collecting them and finding them. I think most people would only care to collect something they could see with a 5x or 8x loupe. Technically though, these types(rpm's and doubled dies) are varieties and not errors. An example of an error would be an off-center strike: something that is not going to occur on every coin produced by that die/die pair.
I believe jallengomez answered it best with " errors happen to individual coins due to the strike " and " Varieties are due to an altered die ", From what I under stand there is no real premium to errors unless they are extremely bizarre.
I don't think an error necessarily has to be bizarre. "Out of the ordinary" would be more appropriate. For example, a strikethrough is rather common, but a retained strikethrough is much harder to find. I wouldn't consider a dropped element bizarre either, but it is certainly out of the ordinary. Chris
Think of it as three different manufacturing processes. There is the die manufacturing process, the planchet manufacturing process and the coin manufacturing process. A variety originates from an error, so to speak, in the die manufacturing process. This error is transferred to every coin struck by that die. A true ERROR coin originates in the planchet or coin manufacturing process. A type coin originates in the die manufacturing process as an intentional revision to a coin's design or in the planchet manufacturing process as an intenional change in metal composition.
There is a lot of folks that see errors and varieties as you do and I'm thankful for you, that means more of them for me to find. I too use a 30X magnifier to find the varieties and errors, thanks.
I personally like major striking errors and major die varieties. A major die variety might be one like the 1955/55 cent or the 1961 proof DDR 50 cent. I also like cuds. These are die varieties that need little or no magnification for me to enjoy. This is just my preference. I have plenty of coins in my collection that require viewing through a microscope. I acknowledge that these are varieties but I just don’t get too excited over many of them. By far, my favorites are striking errors. Here is an obverse die cap from Argentina which qualifies to me as a major striking error. This example has a second major error which you might not recognize immediately. Can you see the 2nd error?
It's a double error In addition to the fundamental striking error, the slab is labeled in error. If you look at the reverse very closely, you will see the remnants of “10 Centavos” embossed there. It is actually a 10 Centavos coin & the slab label states 50 Centavos in error. It’s a double error.
Just to clarify I wasn't getting down on anyone who does look for microscopic variations, just wondering what the attraction is, I have seen people trying to sell some of these things for extrodinary amounts, like a double die that only shows up under extreme magnification and only them very very slightly, some look alot more like normal die wear to me yet folks think they have a gold mine. I am just curious is all, I would never belittle anyones hobby.
These are usually not true variety collectors, mostly those unknowing as to the value. Most of the varieties struck since single squeeze hub production are going to be very minor, which will enhance the value of those earlier ones such as 1955/55 , 72/72, etc. as they can easily be seen with the eyes. But even some experts who make a living off supplying these to newbies are prone to hyping their importance. Many newbies think their error is worth zillions as it is a one of a kind- but most are one of a kind specifically, but not categorically,IMO. Jim
I always view errors as a one time happening. Varieties are created in the dies when hubbed. Die wear/fatigue/polishing as a normal part of the life of a die. So a Die scratch/chip/crack/clash/gouges/polishings are just part of the normal life of the die. Many copies of these are made in varing degrees during the life of the die. Die varieties are created on the die not something that develops with age/die use/die abrasion/over polishing. But an error is usually a one of a kind happening. indent: http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/1980_Indent_Strike_Still_Lookin.jpg http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/Quarter_Obverse_Brokage_Broadstruck.jpg http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/1999-p_partial_collar_with_indent_edge_JASPER62.jpg http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/1976-D_indent_error_smaller_planchet_OBV.jpg planchet errrors: http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/ERRORS_Planchet_Errors_Double_Struck_Broadstruck.jpg http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/Struck_Through_Error__Compared_to_Weak_Strike_Low_Pressure.jpg http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/Nickel_Broadstruck_indent_Brokage.jpg Incomplete planchets: http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/1971_D_Triple_Clipped_Dollar_001.jpg http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/1971_Kennedy_Triple_Clipped_half.jpg http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/1979-D_Incomplete_straight_clip_Sullivan_Numismatics.jpg http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/1999_Cent_Straight_Clip_chuck9999.jpg http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/2000-D_Doubled_Clipped_Cent.jpg http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/Curved___Straight_clipped_blank.jpg http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/Incomplete_Planchet_Triple_Clip_Quarter.jpg Off Center: http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/1900_Off_Center_NDN_Cent_Dime_Silver_Planchet.jpg http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/1944-S_off_center_Merc.jpg http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/1985-P_Quarter_Off_Center.jpg http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/1986-D_off_center_cwb8539.jpg http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/off_center_1978_Ike_Dollar_jimsCoin_Stamps.jpg http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/Off_Center_Nickel.jpg Off Metal: http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/1958_Off_Metal_Nickel_on_Dime_Silver_Planchet.jpg http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/1966_Off_Metal_Cent_on_Dime.jpg http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/COPPER_NICKEL_1967.jpg http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/Kennedy_Half_on_Nickel_Planchet.jpg Partial collar: http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/1999-p_partial_collar_with_indent_edge_JASPER62_EDGE.jpg Multi struck: http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/Doubled_Struck_Nickel_Jfit.jpg http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/1989-P_Triple_Struck_Nickel.jpg http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/1796_Lib_Cap_double_struck-flip_over_strike_heritage.jpg http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/1918_Doubled_Struck_Cent.jpg http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/1968_Double_Struck_Proof_Cent.jpg http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/1999_doubled_struck_cent.jpg http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/1864_no_L_double_struck_in_collar_ken.jpg Trial strike: http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/Kennedy_Half_ANSWER_-_DIE_ADJUSTMENT_STRIKE_HERITAGE.jpg Die Capped: http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/2000-D_struck_through_Generic_Capped_die_nickelsearcher.jpg http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/1970-S_obverse_Die_Cap_struck_through.jpg http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/1996_Generic_Die_cap_MorgansRmine.jpg http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/die_cap_(bottle_Cap)_Cent_JimsCoins_Stamps.jpg http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/early_Obverse_Die_Cap_SDcoinguy.jpg http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/Rotating_deteriorating_die_cap_Adams_Coin.jpg http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/Struck_Through_disintegrated_die_cap_Befos77.jpg http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/Deep_Capped_Die_Indian_Cent.jpg http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/18652ccap_2_Cent__mike_byers.jpg http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/2000_Deep_Cap_Cent_IMAGES.jpg http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/Generic_Capped_die_strike_(struck_through_capped_die)_imag.jpg http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/sullivan_numismatics_Deep_Cap_Bonded.jpg http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/Indian_Cent_obverse_counterbrockage.jpg Broad struck: http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/Nickel_Broadstruck_Brockage.jpg http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/2006_uncentered_broadstruck__Chuckster_125.jpg http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/broadstruck_dime_reverse_JimsCoins_Stamps.jpg http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/Nickel_Broadstruck_Brockage.jpg http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/Quarter_Obverse_Brokage_Broadstruck.jpg Struck through errors: http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/1941_Struck_through_Wire.jpg http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/1961_struck_through_wire_included_Photogame.JPG http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/2000_struck_through_grease_matt_gutkowski_obverse.jpg http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/STRIKE_THROUGH_GREASE_LDARRELLC.jpg http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/Struck_Through_Error_-_Heavy_Grease_Filled.jpg http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/Kennedy_half_struck_through_thread_Brent_Williams.jpg http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/Struck_Through_Cloth_Dime__IMG.jpg Cuds may be part of the dies life, but I still think they are errors though. But the microscopic things to me don't count as errors. (Chips, cracks, breaks) But there are a few exceptions. Extra long die cracks covering 75% of the surface of the die. The rest are just a normal part of the dies life. I consider errors are being able to be seen by the naked eye. I know I've forgotten other things, but this post is getting too long to tell what yet.
I agree with the majority. Results from die wear may be interesting, but it would have to be extreme to be considered an error. Out of the thousand or so coins I have in my collection, I have several die cuds, clipped planchets etc. but the two that stand out as "unique" are these: 1946 U.S. Cent - Struck Through With Retained Wire: 1944 Canadian Cent "Dropped Digit":
Hello coop, This nickel sure looks like a saddle struck nickel where the planchet got struck by two sets of dies in one strike of the press. http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/D...ickel_Jfit.jpg This double struck proof cent is awesome. Are all these coins in your collection? http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/1...Proof_Cent.jpg
Sorry, they are not. Images I use for educational purposes. Some may be mine, but I'm not a rich collector.
A mishap during the strike, or a coin that was struck on a defective plancet. Chips, cracks and such I consider minor errors (they happen during the striking process). Doubled dies, RPMS are varieties. Overpolished dies, or intentionally altering a die to remove clash marks and such I do not consider an error or variety. Its just a screwed up die and some have been way way overhyped...
But that was done to try and prolong a conventional mint striking, and I see no reason for not including them as the person doing the activity was not doing it for the sake of producing a variety. Now, lets apply the same logic to all of the mint directors and employees that have produced coins ( usually in extremely limited amounts) for their own pleasure and finances. Should there be honor for the 1913 Liberty Nickels, the 1804 Dollars, 1894-S dimes, etc?? That is where the real crime was done. At least the 3-Legged buffalo and kin were done in the process of honest labor rather than personal gain. IMO. Jim
Honest labor or not, they were still intentionally altered. Its not really about the coins that have been produced by these dies, its all about the Money. Most people in the coin world accept them as a variety, but there are many that don't and won't...
No problem, everyone has different opinions and that is acceptable. I feel the same way about all of the mint's output lately as you do about the others as they fall under the
