Freshly cut wood!

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by BadThad, Jul 31, 2010.

  1. BadThad

    BadThad Calibrated for Lincolns

    Consider yourself lucky. About 90% of them I find only have it on one side. In fact, I started tossing the one siders into the junk bin because I had so many. I only save the two siders anymore.
     
  2. Avatar

    Guest User Guest



    to hide this ad.
  3. djaeon

    djaeon Member

    I've never noticed these, but I really like the wood grain effect. I'm going to have to start checking for these now!
     
  4. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Thad do me a favor. You're throwing them in the junk bin anyway, so take one of those and dip it. I'd like to see the outcome because I'm having a real hard time wrapping my head around how it would be possible for it to be on only one side.

    Also, if you look at some of those, the grain is running across the field but it hits a letter or number - no grain, then it picks up again on the other side. That should not be possible either. It's making me think somebody "made" those coins.
     
  5. BadThad

    BadThad Calibrated for Lincolns

    What would you like me to use on it? Name your poison(s) and I'll soak it.

    I seriously doubt they were "made" because I've acquired so many of them over the years all from random Brinks boxes from circulation. I agree with you and Dick, I don't understand how it happens on just one side.....and far more frequently than on both sides.
     
  6. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I don't care - E-Z Zest, Tarnx - take your pick. I just want to see if those streaks come off.
     
  7. d.t.menace

    d.t.menace Member

    Here's my possibly hair-brained theory. Is it possible that some kind of contaminate is being impregnated onto the surface of the copper when the sheets are being rolled to make the planchets? With it being only on the surface, when the coin is struck the areas where the metal gets stretched the most on the devices is where it seems to disappear. I agree with rlm that this isn't caused by an improper mix of alloy like the wheaties. On these you don't see any lighter tones,only darker ones.
     
  8. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I don't think your theory is hairbrained at all. And that is why I want one of those coins dipped. Because if I am correct, and my thoughts agree with yours that the marks are on the surface only, those streaks will disappear when the coin is dipped.
     
  9. fishfinder

    fishfinder Junior Member

    On the nickel the streaks are opposite from obv. to rev., yet it does not look like a surface issue as some of those cents. This would support the mixing of alloy theory(no?).
     

    Attached Files:

    • 34rev.jpg
      34rev.jpg
      File size:
      58 KB
      Views:
      218
    • 34.jpg
      34.jpg
      File size:
      51.2 KB
      Views:
      208
  10. BadThad

    BadThad Calibrated for Lincolns

    I don't have or use any commercial products like those. Being a chemist, those are not even in my inventory. What I'll do is sonicate one of them in various strong solvents in the lab....when time permits.
     
  11. BadThad

    BadThad Calibrated for Lincolns

    Beautiful coin!

    I know next to nothing about Buffalos, but that sure looks like toning that would result from an improperly mixed alloy. Notice the direction of the grain from obverse to reverse. Doug pointed this out in an earlier post here.
     
  12. CheetahCats

    CheetahCats Colonial & Early American

    Indeed. Thanks for the guidance Doug!
     
  13. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist


    If you have so many of them, try a mild vinegar solution. Just enough to give it a lighter tone - not back to yellow. See what they look like.
     
  14. BadThad

    BadThad Calibrated for Lincolns

    I want to see if it's an organic residue first. Acids will too harsh for this experiment to start.
     
  15. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    Your coins. You set the rules. However, if you have enough in your trash bin, try them all at once.
     
  16. CheetahCats

    CheetahCats Colonial & Early American

    That's what I was thinking... ...
     
  17. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    Thad, is there any way you can run you x-Ray spectrophotometer on a small enough piece of these to tell us anything?
     
  18. BadThad

    BadThad Calibrated for Lincolns

    Given time. We have an SEM-EDXRF in my lab. However, we have a very busy lab, we process almost 1000 samples a week and we have about 10 metal samples for SEM analysis a week. A typical SEM analysis take about 20-30+ minutes to complete so the instrument is pretty back-logged.
     
  19. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    If our plant were still up, ours ran faster than that and was a lot less used. I am not sure just what either of us had, but he used to run ~10 samples at a time and get the compositions back in an hour or two. However, the operative word in there is IF.
     
  20. robec

    robec Junior Member

    Here are a couple of MPL's that have some wood.

    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
     
  21. kangayou

    kangayou Junior Member

    Very nice cents ! I only see the wood on the reverse of the 1913 though.
     
Draft saved Draft deleted

Share This Page