Fake CAC Stickers on Ebay.............Say it aint so

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Dimefreak, Aug 2, 2010.

  1. Dimefreak

    Dimefreak Senior Member

    Ok well went to a coin/antique fest last weekend and ended up selling my 1944S MS67FB Dime to a dealer that was walking the floor looking for some nice toners. That coin can be seen here
    http://www.cointalk.com/t109382/

    Than last night I go to one of my favorite ebay sellers pages and to my astonishment I see the coin. I sat there scratching my head because when I sold it the holder was 100% free of scratches. The coin itself was not though which is why I decided to sell the coin because there is a scratch along the bottom of here bust. I would assume the bolder scratches toward the bottom are to try to cover the scratch although you can still see it perturbing out. Lastly the coin did not have a CAC sticker a week ago so I find it hard to believe that the beat up looking sticker was put there my the CAC guys.
    here is the listing
    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...33335&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT#ht_6141wt_960

    I sure wish I knew which one did the dirty deed so I can avoid them at all cost:(
     
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  3. Bedford

    Bedford Lackey For Coin Junkies

    I just checked with CAC - it is legit.
    All be it that the scratch on the slab is questionable.

    You Searched For Cert Number: 2532134016



    Serial Number: 2532134016
    Grading Service: NGC
    Description: 1944-S Dime Mercury MS67FB
    Status: CAC

    http://www.caccoin.com/look-up-your-coins/
     
  4. Numismatist47

    Numismatist47 New Member

    The way the light obscured the sticker, you can't tell.
     
  5. Duke Kavanaugh

    Duke Kavanaugh The Big Coin Hunter

    Dimefreak...how much did you sell it for?
    I never saw it come up for sale in our Classifieds :(
     
  6. HULLCOINS

    HULLCOINS Junior Member

    Awesome coin, you checked the NGC cert?
     
  7. Dimefreak

    Dimefreak Senior Member

    $350, it wasnt really for sale.........I took it to more so show it off but there was a adding machine I liked there and he happend to offer enough for me to buy it.
     
  8. Dimefreak

    Dimefreak Senior Member

    How in the world? do they do this service at coin shows or offer 1 day service?
     
  9. Dimefreak

    Dimefreak Senior Member

    Also I might add that the scratch was enough for it to get slabbed genuine, which is why I wasnt very happy. my pictures was the original sellers pictures and you cannot see a trace of it. I am sure you see the scratch on the second batch. so I dont know how it grabbed a CAC

    Makes me think I should send this one in to NGC
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  10. Bedford

    Bedford Lackey For Coin Junkies

    Yes & It depends - I can FedEx a coin to them on Monday & for $100 can have it back Wednesday afternoon. For $40 I can have it back by the next Monday usually. So it wouldn't be impossible.
     
  11. Plantguy7

    Plantguy7 Roll searcher in training

    This may have an obvious answer, but what does the CAC sticker mean?
     
  12. Bedford

    Bedford Lackey For Coin Junkies

    The CAC GREEN Label signifies that a coin has met Certified Acceptance Corporation's stringent grading standards.

    http://www.caccoin.com/cac-in-the-news/an-interview-with-john-albanese-by-maurice-rosen/

    "A grading service grading other services’ coins? What’s going on?

    They’re the ones affixing labels or stickers to already slabbed coins attesting to the “premium quality” of the encased going – a sort of Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval. We all know that the variance in quality among slabbed coins of the same issue and grade can be substantial. If the grading services properly anticipated – and provided for – the growing problem of “C” and “D-quality” coins, there would be no need for CAC. For sure, no two coins are alike and grading is an art not a science. Unfortunately, after 22-years of grading, and after tens of millions of coins have entered the marketplace, the advertised solutions that the grading services promised to us have yet to be fully delivered."
     
  13. usc96

    usc96 Junior Member

    Wow. So they scratch the case all up to hide the real scratch. How uncool!!!!
     
  14. Plantguy7

    Plantguy7 Roll searcher in training

    Thanks, budgood. Now I know not to take those off if I buy a slab with one on it!
     
  15. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

    I am confused. The CAC sticker checks out meaning no foul play. Do you really either dealer purposefully scratched the slab in order hide a defect on the coin? I am not buying that. The entire holder is scratched up and it didn't actually hide the defect. I think this is just coincidence.
     
  16. Dimefreak

    Dimefreak Senior Member

    Hey I stand corrected than......the whole thing is very confusing to me! Within a week it gets a CAC sticker all scratched up than shipped to Boston? Im just gonna let this one rest and remain a mystery to me forever.......BTW Lehigh it covered a majority of the defect.... do you think I would have sold that pretty of a coin if there was'nt something major going on? Im not ruling out the coincidence I am just saying
     
  17. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

    More concerning than you selling it is how a coin with such a defect can get an MS67 grade and a CAC sticker.
     
  18. BadThad

    BadThad Calibrated for Lincolns

    You're not making sense. Slabbed genuine? In your original post it was NGC MS-67FB.
     
  19. BadThad

    BadThad Calibrated for Lincolns

    Where's the scratch? I don't see one in either sets of pictures.
     
  20. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

    I have never seen the coin in hand, but based on the photos of the current E-Bay seller, there appears to be a mark directly to the left of the date at the very bottom of the bust. Strangely, I can't see it on the original photo. I have a feeling that it is photo magic and that the distraction looks worse from certain angles and almost non-existent from others.
     
  21. Dimefreak

    Dimefreak Senior Member

    you nailed it on the head Lehigh. I got the coin never expecting it to be there because its non apparent in the first set of pics. the scratch ends at the left of the date but begins at the front lower part of the bust......I wish I knew how to make arrows
     
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