Souvenir cards

Today I found out the hard way,by buying a PMG (non graded) 1918 $5000 back only ,that it was just a cut down BEP # B125 Souvenir Card in a PMG holder from a ebay seller who purposely omitted his handy work.I should have known better but just recently have become interested again in an old hobby & haven't kept up on looking at all of them.The reason I am posting this thread is for 2 reasons the card that I have & haven't looked at in years cost about $10 or $11 dollars back then. The ebay seller got me for $49.99 in the PMG holder.So beware PMG would certify a ham sandwich if you sent it in .They new the card was cut down & PMG should have put that on the label (#B125 cut out) or something to that effect."Buyer beware"guys.
It is a shame that these beautiful card are being mutilated by greedy sellers.


Thank you Lettow for bringing this to my attention,hopefully this greedy practice will stop before to many card are destroyed.

 

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Sorry to hear about this Bob. Thanks for the due warning? Which seller(s) are we to avoid?

 

Krispy ,he's a ebay seller & I'm looking for the receipt ,when I find it I'll post his name,what really gets me mad is he is destroying beautiful card out of greed !

 

I agree, I don't like seeing sellers chopping up cards. I ran across an ebay seller doing this with ABNCo Archive series sheets, trimming out the small vignettes and listing them separately. Really sucks! These were beautiful sets with a lot of related information that accompanied each sheet in the sets. Plus they were limited edition sets to begin with! It's not like an old book of engraved illustrations with decaying boards or other page damage that book sellers might slice the illustrations out of and sell matted or framed.

 

I hope you change the eBay feedback from positive to a much lower grade.
Sellers should disclose when items are modified.

 

Chris I emailed Jeff the dealer who sold me this PMG holder of Treasured Stocks an ebay seller and asked him if this PMG holder was a chopped (cut out ) B125 Souvenir card and he replied back "Yes it is ,have a good day" signed Jeff.PMG is just as guilty for putting a chopped BEP card in their holder with no mention that is was cut out of BEP Souvenir Card #B125. Were they really fooled ? I don't think so Treasuredstocks.com and PMG knew what they were doing.I thought PMG had more of a good reputation,but now I see from experience that the PMG customer comes first & the buyer second.
If this practice continues say good by to the Souvenir Card Collectors .

 

Bob, I'm very surprized. I thought TreasuredStocks.com had a pretty good rep too. Been to their site a lot in the past to gawk at the high grade notes. I'm puzzled.

 

I have to agree on this one. So if there are Souvenir Cards you really "must have", I'd get them before this practice grows. It will, at the least, increase prices for the remaining cards.

 

Chris ,I am just as surprised as you,Treasured Stocks has an extensive stock of beautiful notes that I often admire & look at. Jeff seems to be a honest dealer,so how a mutilated Souvenir Card get sold in a PMG holder by his company is a mystery to me.

 

This practice bothers me as well, mostly for its deception. I don't think the small number of these being trimmed out of souvenir cards will put much of a dent in the supply (many thousands exist for most issues), but given the opportunity I think a lot of people would prefer the cards in their original condition if they knew what they were buying. And you're right -- slabbing a cut down card is pretty close to fraud. It certainly deserves a spotlight on the practice, such as a letter to the editor of Bank Note Reporter or CoinWorld.

 

I agree, and hope you are right that this practice of deception by PMG not mentioning that the card was cut from a Souvenir Card will stop.Also the dealers are profiting by destroying a $10-$15 card & asking a "Buy it Now on ebay for from $59. 99 to as high as $69.99 as in this case ( or best offer). I should have spotted it being the BEP #125 Card & just passed on it.
But at these kind of profits I doubt the practice will stop & perhaps ever flourish,I hope I'm wrong the cards are beautiful in their original state.
A loss of a few bucks will not break me , but just getting the word out is worth it,so someone else does not get taken." Buyer Beware"
And again Lettow thanks for bring the practice to my attention .

 

$1 Black Eagle Silver Certificate BEP Card

 

Seems like there's a lot of interest in battleships, so I thought I'd post another card from my collection. I don't really get the relationship is between the note and the ship vignette, maybe it's got more to do with the show venue.

From the info card that came in the envelope:
"...The series 1890 $20 Treasury (or Coin) Note, (Miscellaneous die #3682) was engraved by George U. Rose, Jr., Edward M. Hall, David M. Cooper, William A. Copenhaver, Edward E. Myers and William H. Dougal and completed in 1890...

...The engraving of the U.S. Navy battleship California (BB-44), (Miscellaneous die #10968) is based on a 1921 photograph of the California during acceptance trials. the engraving was used by the U.S. Navy for Honorable discharge certificates.The engraving was completed in 1924 by Edward J. Hein, who worked at the Bureau from 1918 until 1932."

Incidentally, there's another, much older battleship card that I posted info about several months back -- http://www.cointalk.com/t87239-2/ On at least one other early card the same vignette masqueraded as the USS California.

 

I don't know what it is about Battleships, massive power /beautiful lines but I love them !

 

gsalexan,very nice battleship cards,some I've never seen before.

 

Great battleships. I really enjoy this thread and the beautiful works of art displayed here. I'd like to take a second and thank Krispy for starting it in the first place. :thumb:

 

Thanks Art. I'm so glad that this thread lives on and has been a place for so many members to share so many amazing vignettes and reproduction plates. I never guessed that there would be so many Souvenir Card enthusiasts here amongst us. I'm really pleased at how much I've learned from others' knowledge about this as a sub category of numismatic collection. :bow:

 

I concur.. there are some fantastic cards presented here. Seems that I received one in the mail and I plan on scanning it soon and posting. One of my favorite vignettes the Panama Girl is the central feature as she was used on the reverse on the Series 1914 Red and Blue Seal $50 FRN's.
A special "Thanks" to the sender of the card, I was taken by surprise!

RickieB

 

Great looking card Greg!

Rick - That is a nice looking card, I know who sent it and it was a very thoughtful gift!

Best Regards ~ Darryl

 

Darryl:
It was indeed a nice gift. I will check with the sender to see if he minds me saying who it was.

Thanks again.

Rick