Does this coin upgrade?

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by LostDutchman, Jul 24, 2010.

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Does it upgrade?

  1. No, Crosses over at MS66

    15 vote(s)
    57.7%
  2. Yes, Upgrades to 67

    5 vote(s)
    19.2%
  3. Does not cross

    6 vote(s)
    23.1%
  1. LostDutchman

    LostDutchman Under Staffed & Overly Motivated Supporter

    It's a simple question does this coin have enough eye appeal today to get the 67 bump? I'm going to send it through NGC in Boston and I want to get your thoughts. I haven't juiced these pics at all. This is how the coin looks in hand... if not a little less vibrant in the pictures. So, simple question... Does this coin end up in a 67 Holder in Boston?

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  3. statequarterguy

    statequarterguy Love Pucks

    Hard to tell what's under all the great toning. I like the 66 grade.
     
  4. Duke Kavanaugh

    Duke Kavanaugh The Big Coin Hunter

    Crapshoot from the pict. If I had to guess from the pict I'd say 66 maybe a +
     
  5. Breakdown

    Breakdown Member

    Matt,
    I like the toning and think it certainly has a shot at a * if you're submitting to NGC. My concern for an upgrade is what looks like a pretty significant x-mark across Liberty's cheek. If that is indeed a mark, then a 67 will be difficult. Now i am not sure from the image -it may not be a mark. If not, then I only see one or two very small marks away from prime focal areas and I like your chances better.

    Are you going to crack it out of that old holder? If not, I think your chances are even lower although it's less risky to keep it in that holder.

    Nice coin whatever the grade.:thumb:
     
  6. majorbigtime

    majorbigtime New Member

    Nice coin. I have many in rattlers that might upgrade, but I just enjoy 'em the way they are.
     
  7. mark_h

    mark_h Somewhere over the rainbow

    Based off the pictures I think it stands a shot at upgrading. It is a nice coin as it stands.
     
  8. krispy

    krispy krispy

    Is there a scratch or hit on the coin or the holder, reverse side behind the "A" after AMERICA• (scratch) ?
     
  9. connor1

    connor1 Collector

    Your sure to get a 67 & a nice new Holder,go for it !
     
  10. kanga

    kanga 65 Year Collector

    I don't see any marks holding it back.
    It looks very well struck (what's normal for a 1943).
    My only concern would be 'is the toning hiding something?'
    IMO, worth a shot.
     
  11. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I think the flip scrapes will keep it at a 66.
     
  12. krispy

    krispy krispy

    That's what I voted as well.
     
  13. kanga

    kanga 65 Year Collector

    Are you talking about the marks at 2-3 o'clock on the reverse?
    I would assume the OP had seen those and they are on the slab.
    Otherwise, good analysis.
     
  14. Spider

    Spider ~

    A couple of things to point out here. Though by no means major, the marks on the sun and head will keep it a 66. Also, the strike is pretty decent but the hand detail is slightly weak overall. There seems to be light nicks on the body (which could actually lose you a point and take you down to a 65) but with such great appeal, it should stay a 66. Those marks around the perimeter seem to be very minor so I wouldn't worry too much about them. Dutch, let me know if you have any questions about this walker or any others. I'm by far ridiculously addicted to this series but I'm still trying to better my proof grading skills.
     
  15. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    They're not just on the reverse, nor are they on the slab. The marks correspond exactly obv/rev and usually only happen one way - from the coin being scraped as it is put into or taken out of a non-PVC flip.

    Most would attribute them to album slide marks, but an album slide cannot reach the fields and a flip can because of the flexible edges. And if the toning wasn't there, you'd never even see the marks.
     
  16. krispy

    krispy krispy

    I keep looking at the coin and wondering, does anyone else see a finger print in the obverse field 2-3 o'clock? Above "In God We Trust" and left of the "T" in Liberty.
     
  17. I predict it will remain a 66. TC
     
  18. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

    It is a nice coin but I don't think the eye appeal or the luster (based on the photos) is enough to push the coin to the next grade. If the photos are not doing the luster justice, then I think you have a chance.
     
  19. statequarterguy

    statequarterguy Love Pucks

    Wasn't sure those were finger prints. Are they the flip scrapes GDJMSP refers to or are the scrapes the broken toning in the sun's rays?
     
  20. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor Supporter

    Good point to remember when someone asks why all flips are not pvc free. Mishandling of a stiff non-pvc plasticized flip can cause such on coins. Some with a short turnover prefer to use PVC flips for short term storage and shipping to a buyer.
    On the coin I suspect it would remain 66, but could be graded with "only if minimum ...." option.
     
  21. majorbigtime

    majorbigtime New Member

    Hey sonny, I am the major here!!
     
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