My Beef with Grading Companys....

A question to searchers who dump at CoinStar. Here they charge 9.8% or free if you take ePay. What is the e-Pay option and does anyone use it or can tell me about it ?

Thanks,
Gary

 

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Same day grading at any of the major shows usually cost about $100 per coin.............not really worth it unless you have a very valuable coin.

Chris

 

you have never bought a rolex for 5$ from the street and then have people offer you 5 grand for it? you really need to get out more often

 

you really would be lonely without me. that is another story in itself but ...

sigh poor GD who will help you but me ?

 

bring your coin and come here gd ill show u fingerprints in 1 second after i have touched it

 

All this talk about buying fake watches and things on the street seems a tad off base. I mean if you are sold 14k jewelry by a store that turns out to be 10k, were you defrauded ? I think it comes down to intent. Of course the street vendor had intent to defraud a buyer and every rube knows that. But companies that wager their reputations by selling fake gold as real are out there.

Here in Vegas, a guy will catch you in or near a casino entrance and pull the Rolex off his wrist. The dude is always in a suit like a pit boss might wear and say, "Hey, I just tapped out, can you do me any good ? Man, I just need a grand, because I can't go home broke" The idea is that he spent the paycheck, and all the bosses & dealers wear Rolex. LOL

No, they never got me. But it's very smooth.

 

But they could see the fireplace (cleaning will result on a lot of soot, ash and creosote falling into the fireplace), and if they or someone they know is moderately active the chimney can be inspected by looking UP from below.

And it still doesn't change the fact that when they signed off without an inspection they accepted responsibility by approving the job as done..

 

I think you are reaching to find a way to blame the victim in this case. No worries, many defense attorneys do this every day. If someone you knew and loved were duped, conned, victimized, or taken advantage in some way, you may feel differently. Now, back to coins...

 

You mean like blaming the bar tenders because the customer got drunk? That one still gripes me. I am not sure about the exact steps, but basically, I agree with Doug's answer.

 

Obtaining a signature on an inspection does not relieve a person from performing the services for which they were contracted to provide.

 

You mean like blaming the rape victim for how she was dressed? Please, I can give you many examples in which unsuspecting, innocent people are victimized at NO fault of their own.

I also agree with Doug's reply to the OP to some extent. YES, PEOPLE NEED TO ACCEPT PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEIR ACTIONS AND ALSO THEIR ROLE IN MISTAKES (numismatically related or not). However, there are plenty of circumstances in which victims are conned, duped, and taken advantage of (often at little or even no fault of their own). I hope what we, as members of a civilized society, can recognize the difference.

 

Yes, the bartender should be held liable because it was his/her decision to serve the customer when he/she could have refused. The bartender is supposed to be sober and in control of his/her faculties, whereas, the customer's ability to think rationally has been severely diminished by the intake of alcohol. I was a bartender for 15 years, and nothing griped me more than to see another bartender allow a customer to get sloshed for the sake of a tip.

Chris

 

I was taught to respect my elders so would never cuss them out.

 

You are not respecting people when you cater to their faults. Have you ever heard of alcoholics and their CODEPENDENTS?

 

It does unless there is non visible damage. If I am to blacktop your driveway, I get done and ask for you to inspect it. If you sign off that I did what I was supposed to do, you cannot refuse to pay me later because you change your mind and think maybe I should have laid it thicker in one place or something. That is the purpose of the inspection, to confirm the goods are what you contracting for. If the buyer can change his mind at any time, then no contracts are ever valid and complete. This would completely dismantle commerce. However, in my example, if I poured the driveway incorrectly and you could not know that by a visual inspection, you do have the right to come back to me demanding redress. Substitute coin for driveway and its the same answer. If you inspect a coin, absent hidden damage, counterfeit, etc. then regardless of what another party says, (TPG), YOU inspected and therefor you are now the owner. Our economy cannot function any other way.

Are you saying you should have to pay the difference on a coin you sold 5 years ago that you sold as a XF but the guy's cousin thinks is just a VG? If you buy a coin the dealer thinks is AU, but it comes back from the TPG as MS66, are you going back to the dealer and paying him the difference? No? Why not? Shouldn't the dealer, with this new knowledge, demand you pay him the difference or reverse the sale in HIS favor?

 

Major difference here. The rape victim did not agree to be raped. The elderly couple agreed. Sorry, but that difference counts.

 

I was never talking about alcoholics. I was referring to the elderly couple in my original example. What are their faults? Aging? BTW: I really like your guess the grade threads...very informative for me. Thanks, TC

 

I was responding to your bartender example with the obviously sarcastic rape victim example. The elderly couple did NOT agree to be taken advantage of by the criminal.

 

Their faults were signing something they had no knowledge of. And, yes, if you allow them to participate in that, you are the codependent. You need to teach them either to ask for help or accept the responsibility. In a court, it is their responsibility.