Hot Springs Doubled Dies!

Thanks all for the examination of these.

Like yourselves I have set for hours with a cramped loop hand trying to divine if this is a machine double or the real deal. It is great when everyone works toward a common goal. I have about four of these which are visible to the eye without a loop. My package to an attributer goes out Monday, then we can find out. :smile
And I was talking Lost in Space, LOL. Miss that inane show, and June Lockhart. She was a Beauty as a younger woman. Like Lucile Ball.

 

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no clue

 

Interesting new finds - thoughts?

Hey everyone,

I am about halfway through the roll and have found a few interesting bits I would like your opinions on...

 

LEG END, are your coins P or D Mint?

 

Nice pics. The distinct notches on several letters makes me think these are legit doubled dies more than machine doubling, but I am no expert here. It also looks like some sort of clashed die error as well. I would send some to be verified/authenticated. TC

 

JJK78......is that a dropped letter on the '2' in the date? (looks like it could be an 'E'...?)

 

Mostly P mint, but SOME D, folks.

I am so thankful for the pics, all of you. It truly takes a weight off my shoulders. I tried all afternoon, but cannot match what was posted her-so wowee thanks. Now everyone sees the doubled dies as doubled dies, and it's great! I see the early rolls drying up now, it's this thread.
Beautiful, and cool to be the first to see it. First one is neat.
Once again, very beautiful pics.

 

Hey NotSure, i'm not sure... At first I thought it was a die clash but nothing on the front would really cause that I think. If you look at the less zoomed pics whatever the mark is almost looks like the reeding on the edge of the coin, but it does not look like the coin took a hit but was minted with it? I can't recall, are the edges reeded before the coins are stamped or after? Before right?

I am not sure how many possible DD's the OP Leg End has but in my "P" roll I only found 2-3 possible DD's and some die clashes and chips - 8 coins all together so if these turn out to be DD's they are definitely not as plentiful as the LP2 lincoln's.

Guess I'll crack the "D" roll after dinner

 

This is getting interesting. I may just have to crack my 2-roll set. TC

 

Your assumption. I do not agree with any of the above, except I do not know about the "drying up" part.

I do have a very hard time thinking that one might use these coins as a basis to say that somehow the mint has regressed to pre 1996 and abandoned the single squeeze die manufacture and just for this coin went back to the older method of hubbing, annealing, and hubbing again , not just with one master, but with 2 different ones with different size lettering, which I must admit I do not see. I am sticking with MD. I understand your enthusiasm and such, but I think it has gone a little beyond reality, IMO. No offense intended, just to make sure my objections are noted. Good Luck.
Jim
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Two different dies? Not possible.

That's exactly what I first said to myself. Then different sized fonts appeared in the incuse letters. And that is not to even address the boxiness at the outer edges of the letters, giving the letters a 3-D effect. I thought it was just the press forcing the coin edge outward as the press traveled down. But the after about the fifth roll, I see this S, the last one in Arkansas. It is clearly a different size. I am baffled. This is a single press coin. How in the world does a different sized font appear on a coin? A second font: Different size? I envisioned a whole second strike, which is ludicrous at the thought of it. I dismissed it out of hand, and I slept on it. And it returned to my mind again. Very puzzling.
I think the experts have done something Extraordinary in the creation of this coin design. By design, assembly, through the strike process, or in the use of their machines they have riddled us a whopper. This is an unusual strike riddle. We may just find out something very interesting about the presses or processes they are using.
I remember in one forum years ago an attributer said he had a handful of pennies pigeon-holed, some for years. He said that he had no idea what to make of them. Point is even the best in this trade get baffled, so we are right in there with them when we make our guesstimates. So everyone, good luck with this. I am flummoxed, but believe firmly.
2010SP1CLDDR1.

 

Well I don't know about all that different size font talk - sounds a bit far fetched to me... But I can tell you that I dug through the roll of D mints and didn't find anything worth noting... QC seems to be alot better over there in Denver

After some yardwork i'll take a better look at a few of these and see if I can come up with more revealing pics to see if we can get to the bottom of this...

I also stand corrected on my comment about the Dino-lite not being able to turn off the LEDs. You can, it's just a button on the software!

 

Just like the LP2.

 

whadda ya think?

Ok everyone,

I've been staring at these for a few hours now and have narrowed it down to only 2 coins from the roll with possible doubled dies, and 1 coin I can't explain.

Everything else I have pretty much written off to strike doubling or die deterioration, but these 2 have me puzzled. One coin seems to have a cleaner strike with less strike doubling, but both coins appear to have what could be doubled dies through the first 4 letters in Arkansas...
















And this one I am stumped on, it looks like a large die clash or somthing right across the top of the 2, but the shape look to be the same size as the edge of the coin, I also found a smaller mark a little further down... weird. Thoughts?

 

Great post. Great pics.

I have pretty much the same coin....doubled ARKA in Arkansas. Really, the letters are so displaced that at first I thought them to be different sized fonts, explaining my comments. But looking at the pics shows them to be dropped Moreover, I have so many different of this same effect, defies belief. Just like the LP2 had so many. The difference between this and LP2 may turn out to be semantic. LP2 has doubles that, well, I wouldn't even collect. Oh, I would keep an obvious extra thumb, but all the rest of the hundreds? Nope, don't need them. Cannot even see most of them. I agree with the LP2 comparisons there.
Historically it is our charge as numismatists to identify and catalog for others, and also to disseminate the information. Makes for a broader, more informed collector base. We are the moment in time when we identify new errors and varieties. :smile

 

Much improved pic

Here is a pic which shows where the "different size font" comment I made was derived from.
Anyway, DVN will have examples this time next week. Could be die clashes, but this is one pic which leads me to believe we have something else. Shows the extra notching as well.

 

The Smokestack lincoln is tomorrow. I mention again my new pics are because I am on my fourth camera in two weeks. Sofar Canon has it, with an extra lense from a hobbyist kit, 15 x.

 

I bought an expensive kodak that isnt even close to my sony powershot as far as coins go



Love the powershot for coins

 

That mark on the R of Arkansas look like a die crack?to me.

 

I may be totally off base here, but if the surface of the planchets where the lettering is doubled is slightly concave so that the bottom of the letters impact a microsecond before the rest of the letters, could this explain a repeated mechanical slip and doubling?