Hot Springs Doubled Dies!

JJK78-
BTW, those are some great photos; what did you shoot them with?

 

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I don't know, since I don't have the coin in hand, but JJK78's post #55 is saying DD, not MD to me. The second image appears to be rounded in the photos, not flat shelf-like and the letter tips are separated, as they should be with a DD.

 

Thanks! I shot those with a Dino-lite which rocks. It is not the best for capturing actual colors on the coins due to the white wash of the built in LED's, but it zooms to like 240x which is pretty darn useful for checking out these little errors!

I'll play around a bit more tonight when I get home from work and see if I can come up with some better pics.

 

I agree that it looks like MD, except that final S in Arkansas does look like it has a "notch," which is indicative of a doubled die. Is it even possible for a coin have both MD and DD? TC

 

Cool pics. Which Dino-lite model do you have or would suggest? Thanks, TC

 

Do you know the model number, because I want it!

 

...lots of stuff here.

http://www.microscope.com/dinolite-buyers-guide-t-17.html

 

If both coins came from the early production, I would think the possibility of the same die/setup ( or what ever they call the tightening, etc.) would be high. The result would have been identical "S" result if a Doubled die. Since the direction is not, I am assuming that it is MD until more examples are found, as the movement of the die might be variable over time.

 

Well, I;m certainly impressed with what I'm seeing and would forward one of the coins off to either John Wexler or James Wiles.

HOWEVER, I have seen similar thinks on Presidential Dollars where the lettering is "incused". Had these been "relief" letters, I'd be ecstatic but they are not. Incused lettering presents totally different response to die age which could be what is being viewed.

Consider this:





It's a proof coin and looks cute, but not doubling.

The real experts need to look at these coins folks so we can quit bashing each other's drinking glasses! :kewl:

 

Thanks for the compliments on the pics, I am using the AM311s model and about the only thing I wish is that the lights were able to be turned off - otherwise it is great. I want to look through more coins in the roll before I make a determination but I am definitely leaning towards maching doubling on these... Here are a few pics of another coin in the roll...

 

Superb, Jalengomez

The second pic clearly shows the notching of two distinct strike events. I even have different SIZES of the letters in Hot Springs, E Pluribus Unum, and Arkansas. Had to be a different DIE. Don't laugh, this is interesting to say, but even more incredible to SEE. Single press... my eye. Die chatter?: "How indeed?", as Dr Zachary Taylor would be so inclined to say. Notching is the distinguishing feature in true doubled dies. Thanks for the pics.
Get your early boxes whilst you are informed. You're welcome.
2010SP1CLDDR1. AND 2. AND 3. AND 4. AND 5. I have over 15 DIFFERENT.
Regards.
Sorry I misread. JJK78 Thanks for the PICS!!!

 

This one image makes me wonder. Can MD look like this?

 

I guess I will remain a dissenter. The "doubling" , especially on the "A" in the one photo Larry quoted just above, appears more to be "scooped" than rounded. This is usually caused by strike doubling ( MD). Sometimes under a scope, the difference is hard to see. Sorry, but will be glad to congratulate you if proven wrong. I suspect you mean Dr. Sol Taylor rather than Zachary Taylor. I do not see the type of notching that is found on true DD.

Jim

 

Just did a quick search of the thread and can't see where anyone identifies the mint mark on these coins. Maybe I missed it, but which mint(s)?

 

The pictures I have posted are from P mint roll.

 

Thanks.

 

Even if it does turn out to be a DD and not MD, any DD that can't be seen without a Dinolite is little more than a conversation piece, nothing more. The OP has over 15 different pieces? How many DIFFERENT DD's were in the LP2's? Like 2 million (I'm exagerating, naturally). It's like the Minnesota extra trees..there are so many it's laughable, and almost an insult to REAL DD's......if you are into them, great, but I don't find them to be anything to get excited over. Don't be surprised to see these are MD. Not knocking the OP, or the coin, just calling 'em as I see 'em.

 

I hear what you're saying about the extra trees, but if this is a DD, this is a little better - letter doubling at the rim. It's no 1955, but can probably be seen with a 5x. I guess though, with so many different ones, that may point to MD, but who knows, like you mentioned, the LP2's have a bunch of DD's. I'll have to check my HS's, sure would be nice to see one in hand.

 

Yeah I really feel the same way... but since I've already cracked open the box I'm gonna go ahead and search them and see. Like you mentioned about the LP2s, I have about a roll of each of the DDR1-4 which everyone was hot to trot about for about a week then it died off cause there were too many DDRs and variations of the same one's etc.
Even if one of the error guys like Wexler etc. verifies these are DDRs, the likliness of the major TPGs attributing them is pretty low which isn't going to do much for the value. Just not a major enough DDR

Also I don't know if you could really even notice these with a 5x loupe... this dino lite only goes down to 20x and those really zoomed images are at about 200x...

 

I don't really have an opinion yet but that S with the hooks really caught my eye.