Guess the Grade-----1974 Jefferson Nickel PCGS

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Lehigh96, Jun 11, 2010.

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Guess the assigned Grade!

  1. MS62

    1.8%
  2. MS62 FS

    12.5%
  3. MS63

    8.9%
  4. MS63 FS

    30.4%
  5. MS64

    12.5%
  6. MS64 FS

    25.0%
  7. MS65

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  8. MS65 FS

    8.9%
  1. tmoneyeagles

    tmoneyeagles Indian Buffalo Gatherer

    Well shoot, I thought you owned the coin.
    Are they your pictures? I was going to comment on the reverse picture as it looked a little dark next to the obverse, they looked like your pictures, but just not as good as your pictures are now.

    Still think the coin shouldn't have been graded...Gashes are just too plentiful.
     
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  3. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    I am voting what I think it grades - regardless of what the TPG did or even what I think they did.
     
  4. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

    Fair enough!
     
  5. mikenoodle

    mikenoodle The Village Idiot Supporter

    You know that's funny, because I really never get these threads right! I always grade the coin rather than guess what I think the TPG graded it
     
  6. BR549

    BR549 Junior Member

    So, how long you gonna keep us in suspense?
     
  7. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

    Just so you know, I love to hear that. It means you are really interested. To answer, I have to let the poll go at least 24 hours. I posted it after midnight last night. We need to give those without access to a computer during the day a chance to chime in later tonight. I will post the answer before I retire for the evening which is usually between 3-4AM.
     
  8. Duke Kavanaugh

    Duke Kavanaugh The Big Coin Hunter

    I was too waiting patiently...
    I guess it's soon though :D
     
  9. jallengomez

    jallengomez Cessna 152 Jockey

    I'm going to say MS-64 FS.
     
  10. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

    I guess once the thread falls off the first page for 5 hours it is time to post the answer. I really wanted Doug's opinion. Maybe next time. RLM is the only one who got it right and no, I don't agree with the grade.

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  11. tmoneyeagles

    tmoneyeagles Indian Buffalo Gatherer

    What does that mean Paul? Do you think the coin should be graded higher or lower?
     
  12. Duke Kavanaugh

    Duke Kavanaugh The Big Coin Hunter

    humpf...5 seems a bit high. But not Real high. It's still a nice Jefferson.
    Is that a high pop coin?
     
  13. mikenoodle

    mikenoodle The Village Idiot Supporter

    rlm got it right??? did I miss something? No knock on rlm, but he voted MS-63 FS. Nobody said MS-65 FS from what I read.
     
  14. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

    Mike,

    Follow the posts quoted. Dick stated the the TPG would issue MS65FS but he didn't care, to him the coin was still only an MS63 FS. The sentence in red is the key statement.
     
  15. BR549

    BR549 Junior Member

    My original assessment based on the original photos was MS-65, my next post after the larger reverse image was posted, I gave it the F/S designation. So, I was correct with PCGS and I say they are more than 60% correct.

    Thanks for a fun thread.
     
  16. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

  17. tommybee

    tommybee Junior Member

    I say MS 63 FS. Those nicks on Jefferson's cheek could not be in a worse place. As with any FS the strike is far above average. Nice coin, but for me, the cheek nicks are a deal breaker...especially on such a common coin/date.
     
  18. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I really can't get over you guys agreeing that this is not damage :eek:

    Would any of you actually buy this coin ? I mean if I was Jeff collector and somebody offered to pay me $100 just to put this coin in my collection - I would say no.

    Do you need to look at it again ???

    Those are not bag marks people. That is plain old fashioned damage !
     

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  19. Breakdown

    Breakdown Member

    Paul, I voted MS65 with FS -- PCGS might have given it a 64 instead since you say they grade a point or so below NGC on Jeffersons. I assume the marks on the chin are discounted as you have explained before that Jeffersons have these marks rather commonly and are therefore graded differently -- a Buffalo with such marks would not be in a 65 holder. Looks FS to me.
    Now that grade might astound some but I am basing it on other Jeffersons you have posted and how you have explained they are graded.

    *Now I have read the thread -- I wrote the above without others' views or knowing the actual grade PCGS assigned. I voted what I thought PCGS would grade and assumed Lehigh wanted to shock us. The marks seem pretty severe In Doug's blown-up photo, I will admit. Also, since the obverse is more important in the grade, it is hard to justify a 65. I still think the rest of the coin is nice -- no, I wouldn't buy it but it is interesting for learning purposes.

    By the way, Doug and others voted what they would grade it, not what grade would they expect PCGS to grade it. I voted based on how I thought PCGS graded the coin because that's how I interpreted the poll.*
     
  20. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    I think you are giving me more credit than I deserve. I did not really get PCGS's grade right. What I got right was you thinking process.
     
  21. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Yeah I realize that. But that only makes it worse - not better. Damaged coins are considered ungradeable - period, end of story.

    Is there actually anybody here who thinks that those marks were caused by another nickel striking this one ? What would that nickel be - the size of a piano ?

    And if you do not, then it must be damage.

    So to assign any grade to that coin, let alone an MS grade, that's just wrong.
     
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