Poland - Graded 1896 Morgan Dollar

I've just received (polish e-bay) 1896 Morgan Dollar - graded by PCG (polish grading company).
Look at this - very poor mobile photos, but it doesn't matter:





Can you explain me, why there is no characteristic 180 degrees reverse - obverse rotation? It is clearly fake, so why it has gotten grading?

 

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because the graders are flakes. (is that appriopriate language for CT)

 

look to PCGS NGC or ANACS for accurate(most of the time) graders.

 

Wash,

You've apparently removed the link to the photo. I haven't had a chance to see it. Any chance of putting it back up or sending me a copy of them? The may be a bottom feeder service I haven't seen. And if it is a fake in a bottom feeder slab I may be interested in it.

To the Moderators, yes I know that is against the rules, but bottom feeder services come and go so fast I may not get another chance at it.

 

Conder,

I would think that everyone who knows about your slab collection would cut you a little slack on this since you are providing an invaluable service for all collectors.

Chris

 

I put it back on imageshack, I guess photos will last longer.

I tried to contact grading company (handing over full info about coin and slab), no answer - I'm going to wait, as monday is first workday for companies.

Seller answered he doesn't know anything about such a coins and sells 'as is'...
It is interesting, because there are only a few official grading companies in Poland and this one is one of them. By the way, it's my 1st graded coin
Slab looks intact.

 

Take the coin to a dealer you trust for their opinion.

 

No need...

The coin is clearly bogus and the buyer knows it. I'm sure that the grading company isn't legit either. Just because they have a website doesn't make them a legit TPG.

 

Just want to make sure, because I'm not even a beginner when it comes to american coins (morgans) and it is confusing to challenge the grading.
There are always 180 dgrees rotation of reverse in such a coin (morgan dollar)?

 

Can you give us a couple of better pictures the front and back face on?

Edit I know obverse and reverse but he is translating english to polish

 

All U.S. coins are produced in what is called "coin turn" meaning that the reverse is upside down in relation to the obverse. If you hold the coin by the edge between your thumb and index finger at 3 o'clock and 9 o'clock and rotate it top to bottom, the reverse will appear right side up.

Chris

 

The reverse on this is rotated almost 180 degrees

 

Thank you for answers.

If you are interested I'll post better photos within couple of days (I have to get better device than my cell phone).

 

That would be very rare, and leads me to think it might be a fake, too. I would have to see better close-ups, first.

Chris

 

The coin is clearly a fake, and that is definitely a slab I have not seen before. If they have another one and the price is reasonable I would definitely be interested in one.

Wash, I take it you are in Poland? You say there are only a few official grading companies in Poland. I've only run across one so far and it wasn't this one. I would be most grateful if you could tell me about whatever grading companies there are in Poland. Pictures of whatever holders they use would also be most helpful.

 

It's a pretty poor counterfeit.

 

Dang she looks like a giraffe! That head and neck look pretty high, counterfeit for sure...

 

That eagle on the back has the pterodactyl look. I am interested in better imagines as I really want to learn about fakes. Ice

 

scamola.

 

I did my best making photos of a slab.





As I've written, seller washes his hands clean, no respond from grading company.

When it comes to the polish graders:
1. GCN "Gliwickie centrum numizmatyczne" stands for "Gliwice (polish city) Numismatic Center". It is the most popular grading company in PL (coops with british ECC) ECC (european coin company) GCN. Working as graders since 2006.
It is quite widespread that they business (selling their grading coins on polish e-bay and by themselves) and grading itself makes them not really trustworthy as they are interested in price. There are also a lot of disappointed people (I know one myself and it is quite remarkable because I'm NOT a coin collector and I know almost nothing about), who gave them brand new pieces and got 69's, and soon after company sold some exactly type, but 70's on polish e-bay... I'm not saying that they acctually switch coins to get some more money, it is simply the spoken reason there are a lot of people who don't even consider using this grader (the matter of trust).
If you're interested in photos of slabs, you will find some here

2. "Polski Grading" stands for "polish grading". There was a kind of situation in 2008/9 that a lot of empty slabs were sold on e-bay, and soon after for a short period of time you could find graded coins with this brand. Don't know anything more about, have never seen slabs. More you'll probably find on polish coin boards.

3. PCG (Polskie Centrum Gradingowe stands for Polish Grading Center). One that graded morgan dollar above. No contact yet with them - graded coin was suspicious even for newbie. They have been working since 2008.
As you can see they have nice hologram with the name of the company and two faces looking left and right (something like olive wreath on that heads). Slab with letters PCG (back - top left corner) - my is intact and nicely glued (didn't test it in water
I have heard some positives about this company - they don't sell their graded products directly. It is quite nice in polish conditions.

I decided not to send it back (I bought it for about 25$) and keep it to remind me to always stay vigilant.

Hope this helps!