What happened to this slabbed Kennedy?

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  1. fretboard

    fretboard Defender of Old Coinage!

    I bought this Kennedy Half a few weeks ago in a package deal and when I got home and had a closer look at all the coins I realized that something wasn't right with this Kennedy! Frustrating for certain!! Anyways, I'm trying to figure out how this slabbed coin got what looks like coffee sprayed on it. Has anyone ever come across a slabbed coin like this? Any ideas on how it got that way? Anyone?
     

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  3. Art

    Art Numismatist?

    The first thing that I notice is that the slab appears to have been tampered with. The left side seems to have been cut off. If that is the case any type of contamination is possible.
     
  4. fretboard

    fretboard Defender of Old Coinage!

    No it's just the way I took the pic. I have the small date book in front of the slab and the slab is laying long ways on it's side. I can see why you thought that but I wouldn't ask the question if that was the case. Besides I wouldn't have bought the coin if it had part of the slab evenly cut off. :D
     
  5. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    Some folks call those milk spots. It's a common problem with no way to fix, that I know of. Many times the spots start showing up after they are slabbed. It's thought that a rinse used at the mint and the change in holder causes it. Years ago folks used little poly bags to send proofs in to be graded because the TPG's ask you to. These little bags were thought to be part of the problem.
     
  6. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I'm prety sure those aren't milk spots, never seen milk spots on a coin that old before. I think it much more likely that somebody coughed or sneezed around that coin before it was slabbed.
     
  7. These slabs are not completely air tight. My guess is that this one may have been stored in an adverse environment (e.g. dampness/humidity) or alternating environments for a time. :( TC
     
  8. fretboard

    fretboard Defender of Old Coinage!

    Here'a a another pic of the slab to show that it's a complete slab.
    Milk spots don't look like the spots that are on the coin. The spots on the coin are black like coffee, they're darker than milk spots. It's hard to believe that they're milk spots! Dang! Well hopefully someone else can chime in with something else but if not I guess it's possible. thx
     

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  9. fretboard

    fretboard Defender of Old Coinage!

    Yeah, I'll take that sneeze theory but why the person grading it couldn't see the spots is beyond me!
     
  10. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Out of curiosity, is the left-hand base of the "I" in LIBERTY broken? I can't tell from the photo. If this is an Accented Hair variety, it's too bad that you couldn't send it to PCGS for conservation and reholder at the same time. There have been other instances where PCGS has suggested to the customer to send it to NCS for conservation, but of course, that takes PCGS of the hook for the reholder.

    Chris
     
  11. Victor

    Victor Coin Collector

    The spots may not have been evident when the coin was slabbed.
    They may have developed into a problem afterwards.
     
  12. fretboard

    fretboard Defender of Old Coinage!

    I don't know about the accented hair variety but the I looks fine. I am amazed that a coin could get that messed up while being inside a slab. I wonder what PCGS would say if I sent them this coin and asked them what they thought about it. I'm sure they'd probably think I was a nut case b/c I'm not the person who originally had it slabbed but I don't care if they think I'm a nut case. I just wonder how it left their place of business with the ugly spots on it. :D I guess I'll have to mull this one over b/c if I gotta look like a nut case I'll have to psych myself out to make it happen first. :vanish: Looking nuts is hard work!! :D
     
  13. fretboard

    fretboard Defender of Old Coinage!

    Yeah I thought of that too but dang! I guess I'm just really mad about getting stuck with it. I guess that one will have to be chalked up to a live and learn experience. Man even the ppl at my coin club will pull a fast one if they're given the chance. Dirty Dog!! :D

    My fault for not looking carefully at every single coin!! still, ouch!!:hail:
     
  14. Art

    Art Numismatist?

    I don't think that you're stuck. I believe there's a good chance PCGS will replace the coin for you.
     
  15. Just Carl

    Just Carl Numismatist

    My guess too. Remember that people that work in a TPGS get sick too.
    Wonder if you sent it to PCGS would they take a chance on opening it? Might respread whatever is on that coin.
     
  16. Numismatist47

    Numismatist47 New Member

    Those look like toning spots to me. I have a couple of coins with the same colored spots on them that were identified as toning spots.

    Here is my 1963 Franklin PR with a toning spot similar to the one on the OP's Kennedy:

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  17. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

    The spotting on the Franklin is reflected in the PR63 grade. The Kennedy is graded PR66 which means the spotting had to appear after the coin was slabbed.

    This coin would qualify for the grade guarantee IMO.
     
  18. Tom B

    Tom B TomB Everywhere Else

    I've seen these spots more than a few times on proof coins of the era. They kill the eye appeal.
     
  19. Numismatist47

    Numismatist47 New Member

    The spot, on my Franklin occured after slabbing, as the OP's Kennedy. Toning spots nothing more.
     
  20. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

    I respectfully disagree. Toning does not form in the appearance of white spots on a proof coin. The sneeze theory seems much more plausible to me.
     
  21. PFCBEGA

    PFCBEGA Staff Numismatist HA.com

    Those spots should be under the PCGS guarantee, i would send it back and get a check from 'em
     
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