There must be something about purple lincolns

I got this one from Tom (numiscent) and he asked ME if I new what was causing the colors. I can't even figure out if they are AT of NT. Anyway, this is pretty much the same as the last bunch only a bit brighter. If there is someone(s?) out there ATing these, they are making a bunch. This is the 3rd seller.

His pics http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190396548564&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT. My pics below. FWIW, my pics are probably too dark and his are a bit too light. Comment away!

 

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wow, that is dark purple!

 

Purple Pie Man.....

 

Not sure what does that either but many times I've found pennies in old rolls from the local banks that way.

 

Purple People Eater :hammer:


RLM: what's going on in the lighter patches? any sign of verdigris there? I'm looking at the field in front of Lincoln's portrait and the area at the base of the stalks of wheat on the reverse bottom.

 

No sign what so ever of verdigris. Lots of luster, but the remnants of a fingerprint over the date. Also, there is s die crack to the middle of the right wheat.

BTW, one of my favorite songs back then.

 

RLM,
Love those Lincolns, man they are great. If they are AT, then who ever is creating them is doing one heck of a job and pretty good at it. From looking on ebay, there appears to be a lot of AT especially on newer proofs (late 80s - to present), where the colors appear to sit on top of them. the pictures you provided of the Lincolns seem to have the color "soaked" into the coin.

I would also think they are NT due to the date and the grade of these coins. I understand that the toning could increase the price but why risk it especially on the first year Wheats were introduced. To me that is a big gamble to which i wouldnt bet on..

Now I would only think it's fake on these points, on both coins the lower edge of the rim on the obverse side has a light color purple, the left side of lincolns body has the light purple from his hair to his shoulder. On the reserve side of the coin, if you look around the rim you will see a light purple to include the stalks of wheat.

There is yellow on both coins in Lincolns hair. Again on the reserve, if you look at the top letters R I B are yellow on both Lincolns. Also there is a tan/green/gray color at the ends of each stalks.

Are you sure these are 2 different coins or maybe one slightly angled different, used less lighting etc?

I dunno very hard to tell.

My 2 cents, FWIW

Shrek

Editted: If the colors I stated are not correct, it's due to my color blindness. Sorry

 

If I were guessing, I would guess they probably are AT, but I still like them. Am I sure these are 2 different coins? Not sure where you got 2 different coins. My pics and Tom's are the same coin. I bought it from him.

 

I recently picked up a similarly-colored 1909 VDB for my type set. Interestingly, it has a similar yellowish splotch in "PLURIBUS"...

I suspect it's AT, but it's so deep and rich that I honestly don't mind if it is.

 

I hate to be a downer, but that coin reeks of AT. And not eye appealing AT either. In fact, it is quite unattractive. Send it back if you can.

 

I don't know that much about copper to say that the toning is AT, but it is questionable IMO. Furthermore, I really don't find this purple color that attractive. However, I really do like the blue color that results from the application of MS70 to a Lincoln Cent.



Ooops, did I just out my closet Lincoln collection.

 

Paul, are we going to have to have an intervention? What are you doing buying that copper stuff?

 

Am I off the hook if I tell you that I have had it for over three years. Guess I better start imaging the others.

 

I see the prices on these toned coins and can't stop thinking about how to AT these things. It's not that I want to figure it out to sell them and make tons of money, like other people are undoubtedly doing, but I want to expose how they do it. I work in a lab with thousands of chemicals.

I've also seen the guy at the coin show sitting behind a case of JUST toned Morgan dollars. I see people ask the question "Are these toned naturally?". From a chemist's point of view, it is a very natural reaction to whatever chemicals were applied with whatever law of chemistry. Toning doesn't affect grade, just the desirability of the coin. There is obviously no way of knowing whether something is AT or NT; but would demand wane if someone proved it just took a few days in a cloth drenched in a solution of X in the presence of a gaseous element Y?

 

I like purple. A DDO makes it even better.

 

In the real world of science, you don't actually do something until you adequately share the information in a Journal.

 

Pessimist!

 

Idhair's 1909 looks natural (however that is defined) to me, probably toned from sitting in an old album which had sulfur in the pages, or from old mint wrappers. However, IMHO RLM's may not be natural. Here's one from my personal collection - even though it's in a PCGS holder, do you think it's AT or not?