Should we call a dollar a thaler??

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  1. majorbigtime

    majorbigtime New Member

    Might as well if a cent is called a penny!

    The two usages would be very similar in historical nature and equally ludicrous.

    If I were in England, I would give you "a penny for your thoughts' or be "penny wise and pound foolish". Can you see Clint Eastwood starring in "For a Few Thalers More" or "A fist Full of Thalers"?

    Did you know that the first US dollars had no denomination on the obverse or reverse, but had a lettered edge that said "one hundred cents or unit"?

    You can neither find the word "penny" nor "thaler" on any US mint-produced coin, so why call them that?

    BTW, this is not a senseless point (pun intended). If you were in England, you would be cents less but could have a pocket full of pennies.

    This thread was initiated at the suggestion of one of our kind moderators. Perhaps it will prompt a healthy debate. Heck, it may even convince some who have lacked sense (pun also intended) and erroneously used the term penny when referring to a cent to mend the error in their ways.
     
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  3. Mad.Outcast

    Mad.Outcast New Member

    We broke away from Europe on our boat ride here,we have built this country on our "own" decisions,and as Americans we stand out from the crowd.Why would we want to "join" back in.We set standards and en-ovations.we dont just follow.We...
     
  4. joey0053

    joey0053 ZERT Operator

    I was born an American and there for the freedom of speech act says that I can say, BRACE FOR IT.......... PENNY PENNY PENNY PENNY PENNY PENNY PENNY PENNY. For 29 years thats what i've been calling it, so who cares.
     
  5. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Well let's see, from the dictionary -

    penny – noun

    1.a bronze coin, the 100th part of the dollars of various nations, as Australia, Canada, New Zealand, and the United States; one cent.

    From the US Mint - One Cent Coin - Penny


    You can also consider what is called accepted word usage. You would be hard pressed to find even one person in this country who if you walke dup to them and said - "do you have a penny ?" - that they would not know precisely what it was you were asking them. That is accepted word usage.

    Then you can look at all the coin rolls, most have Penny or Pennies printed on them, not cents. The same can be said for boxes of rolls.

    So while you are correct that cent is the technically correct term, it is perfectly acceptable to use the word penny when talking about the US 1 cent coin.

    The US Mint uses it, the banks and financial institutions use it, and the people use it. That makes it a perfectly acceptable term.
     
  6. mpcusa

    mpcusa "Official C.T. TROLL SWEEPER"

    Iam going to say no to the thaler, It,s just not a good ol usa name!
     
  7. Shoewrecky

    Shoewrecky Coin Hoarder


    You are absolutely right in the "technical" aspect because a cent is not a penny but in all reality this is a battle you will lose.

    Does it really make a difference what we call it? Is it going to have any effect to the outcome? Do we not know what the coin is by calling it a "penny".

    I feel you are trying to create an agruement b/c you brought this up in Pennywise thread.

    When my wife says hey "donkey" , I know she's talking to me but because I am not a "donkey" should she not be allowed to call me that? Should she not use my name?


    You say potayto, I say potato; you say tomayto, I say tomato...

    -Shrek
     
  8. joey0053

    joey0053 ZERT Operator

    very well said.
     
  9. jallengomez

    jallengomez Cessna 152 Jockey

    Who would have ever thought the lowly penny held such importance to the state of the universe.
     

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  10. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    I never could understand why so many people in the States would want to emulate the Brits anyway. They've been driving on the wrong side of the road for decades.

    Chris
     
  11. Numismatist47

    Numismatist47 New Member

    Like I said before, let me know where your "store" is so I can avoid it, if this is your best example of professionalism!
     
  12. majorbigtime

    majorbigtime New Member

    I an not fighting a "battle", but I am attempting to rectify a gross inaccuracy. I find it odd that a respected coin dealer uses an inaccurate moniker for her business. Would you be attracted to shop at the Dollar Store if it was namend the Thaler Store?

    If you use the term "penny" to describe a US cent, then I agree with your wife's characterization of you.
     
  13. Shoewrecky

    Shoewrecky Coin Hoarder


    Really If they wanted to call a Dollar Store a Thaler Store than I don't really care. My main concern is A. Friendilness/ Respectfulness/ Knowledge/ Cleaniness B. Choices C. Prices.

    After all it's JUST a name. Does it have an effect on the person's ability to do business?
     
  14. joey0053

    joey0053 ZERT Operator

    Because NORMAL everyday people call it a penny and are happy with it, when I ask to look at wheat pennies or ask if they have any steel pennies at my local coin shop they dont start ranting about proper terms regardless of how long there store has been open.
     
  15. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    'Should we call a dollar a thaler?? '

    You could, but everyone would think that you had a lisp.
     
  16. jallengomez

    jallengomez Cessna 152 Jockey

    As Doug mentioned it is common usage. The word has a referent in reality. That referent is a coin which happens to have Abe Lincoln's image on it. This is reality. You can kick and scream all you want, and you can insult knowledgeable, respected, and honest people around here, but you can't change that reality. Good luck fighting that insanely futile fight though. Let us know how it works out for you.
     
  17. majorbigtime

    majorbigtime New Member

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    Originally Posted by majorbigtime [​IMG]
    I an not fighting a "battle", but I am attempting to rectify a gross inaccuracy.

    As Doug mentioned it is common usage. The word has a referent in reality. That referent is a coin which happens to have Abe Lincoln's image on it. This is reality. You can kick and scream all you want, and you can insult knowledgeable, respected, and honest people around here, but you can't change that reality. Good luck fighting that insanely futile fight though. Let us know how it works out for you.


    So are you saying that use of the word penny is only a "little wrong"? Is that like being slightly pregnant? If it ain't right, it must be wrong.

    Common usage is no excuse IMO. It just means that many are wrong.
     
  18. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Yup. I gotta admit, I really hate it when I'm right and the rest of the world is wrong :whistle:
     
  19. jallengomez

    jallengomez Cessna 152 Jockey

    This article lists many misnomers that are common usage. Maybe you're so pedantic that you've never used any of them before, but I doubt it. Ever used the word "peanut?" At any rate, this should at least preoccupy you for awhile. Keep swinging that sword of righteous indignation at an immense reality.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misnomer
     
  20. jallengomez

    jallengomez Cessna 152 Jockey

    Nope. I'm not saying it's "a little wrong", moderately wrong, or grossly wrong. I said that the word has a common referent in reality. It's right as rain as far as I'm concerned.
     
  21. joey0053

    joey0053 ZERT Operator

    You said and I qoute "
    I am an advocate of first amendment rights, and freedom of speech seemingly is respected here."

    Read more: http://www.cointalk.com/t107702/#ixzz0nunJ1CGV


    Seems to me your a hipocrite of everyone else's freedom of speech to call a cent a penny.

    10 million Elvis fan's can't be wrong.
     
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