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Discussion in 'World Coins' started by markw, May 5, 2010.

  1. markw

    markw Junior Member

    These appear to be quite common, but just thought I'd post this picture of a Roman coin with a soldier slaying a fallen enemy
     

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  3. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Heh I like it. Wouldnt mind more info on it.
     
  4. markw

    markw Junior Member

    General info

    These are generally fom the era of Constantine's sons, I think maybe 4th century AD.

    It seems that there are many subtle variations, and sometimes the victim is a horseman; sometimes he sports recognisable headdress of a certain tribe.

    Recently I saw a detailed website about the variations. Some are more graphic than others. I am not aware of any where the Barbarian is getting the better of the Roman.
     
  5. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Perhaps a bit more info than you wanted:

    http://dougsmith.ancients.info/ftr.html

    Thee are among the most common Roman coins and there are hundreds of variations. There are students working on ID of several barbarian tribes show on the type and how can I omit mention of the very first page I did on ancient coins regarding the question of stirrups on one of these coins:

    http://dougsmith.ancients.info/notsev.html
     
  6. markw

    markw Junior Member

    And that's it.

    And that's the website.

    You've done an amazing job. I eat it up like French Fries. Love the methodical approach, and the illustrations are masterfully done.
     
  7. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    Even though these are common, its one of my favorate LRB coins. I'd like to find a realy nice one for my collection someday
     

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  8. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Randy:
    As these go 'really nice' means the earlier ones which are larger and offer more room for detail. Personally I'm fond of the Antioch mint coins which show up in all conditions and several variations. Unfortunately they tend to be missing some legend or having flat areas in the strike (as does my example shown here). I also like Alexandria but it has a very different style that many people might consider less appealing. The majority are Constantius II but it is worth looking at examples of Constans and Constantius Gallus (larger size ones) as well.

    The rarity of the bunch is the Falling Horseman reverse used by Magnentius. It is in the catalogs but I've not seen one offered.
     

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  9. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Thanks for the websites. They are pretty cool looking coins.
     
  10. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector


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    Yeah I saw this one on your site, this the quality I'm looking for for :)

    I have a few large ones, but are pretty worn.(and bad photos :eek: )
     

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  11. mpcusa

    mpcusa "Official C.T. TROLL SWEEPER"



    Thats a bad _ _ _ coin !!
     
  12. markw

    markw Junior Member

    Golly, all these are really magnificent.
     
  13. Ardatirion

    Ardatirion Où est mon poisson

    I'm not the biggest fan of these types, but here's a contemporary counterfeit:

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    Cast Imitation of Constantius II
    Fallen horseman type
    355-361 AD
    DN CONZTAN-TIVZ PF AVC
    pearl diademed, draped, cuirassed bust r.
    FII THMI I-IDATIA, H in l. field
    soldier spearing fallen horseman

    Coin is cast in two parts.

    There's some other ancient coins with violent types. This is probably my most violent, rated R!:
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    Pontos, Amisos
    AE29, 18.8g
    Amisos, 85-65 BC
    Head of Athena Parthenos r., wearing triple crested helmet decorated with griffin
    AMI-ΣOY
    Perseus standing facing, harpa in r. hand, Medusa’s head in l. Medusa’s body at his feet, monograms across fields
    Sear 3637, BMC 32
     
  14. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    this is another one I'd like to get, very cool
     
  15. snaz

    snaz Registry fever

    Doug, those are phenomenal, would you say the second one is a late die state?
     
  16. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    I can't say I see anything that would make me say that. Do you see wear or breaks I'm missing? I posted that picture to make the point that Alexandria portraits are different from other mints (more different - all mints are a little distinctive).
     
  17. snaz

    snaz Registry fever

    Let me start by saying I really don't know mich about ancients
    Although, the reason I suggested LDS was because the lettering around the coin, seem to be rough and they "streak" (for lack of a better term) off the end of the coin.
     
  18. snaz

    snaz Registry fever

    Let me start by saying I really don't know mich about ancients
    Although, the reason I suggested LDS was because the lettering around the coin, seem to be rough and they "streak" (for lack of a better term) off the end of the coin.
     
  19. Ardatirion

    Ardatirion Où est mon poisson

    Not late die state, but an uneven strike.
     
  20. Cucumbor

    Cucumbor Well-Known Member

    To follow Doug's statements, here are a Constantius II from Alexandria :

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    And a Constantius Gallus from Siscia :

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    Q
     
  21. markw

    markw Junior Member

    Two more nice ones

    Goodness, those are nice examples.
     
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