Grading opinions please?

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by fretboard, May 7, 2010.

  1. fretboard

    fretboard Defender of Old Coinage!

    What y'all think this would grade as? Grading is not one of my forte's at all, all I know is if I want it or not! :DJust kidding, I have an idea but usually I tend to under grade. Anyone want to take a stab at this well worn gold coin over 157 years old? I appreciate all responses as I'm all over the board with this one although I think an XF is in order, I keep thinking elsewhere like F12 or G6. Need help friends!! :thumb: :D
     

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  3. LostDutchman

    LostDutchman Under Staffed & Overly Motivated Supporter

    I'd call it a Fine on the obverse and a VG on the reverse personally net VG8
     
  4. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    F 12, it would go 15 if not for the reverse.
     
  5. Shoewrecky

    Shoewrecky Coin Hoarder

    Just for my learning curve. At one point it's that coins life time was that cleaned? I ask that cause there's the dirt (or whatever it is) around the stars, lettering, numbers and face and same on the reverse.

    it's a great looking coin and I will gladly take off your hands...for free :)

    -shrek
     
  6. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    My guess - it wasn't. When they get that worn most of the dirt is worn away because the coin is so smooth. All you will usually see is around the edges of the devices.
     
  7. LostDutchman

    LostDutchman Under Staffed & Overly Motivated Supporter

    I knocked it a little harder for the nearly missing rim section on the reverse.
     
  8. mpcusa

    mpcusa "Official C.T. TROLL SWEEPER"

    Looks like a good f-12 !!
     
  9. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

  10. F12 Obverse, VG8 Reverse: VG10 net. TC
     
  11. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    p.s. the coin has an odd wear pattern. any ideas as to why? hmmmm
     
  12. Tom B

    Tom B TomB Everywhere Else

    This is an interesting coin. The 1853 issue is known as one that is more often found weakly struck than other issues, but the wear pattern makes it appear that there was something wrong with the collar on the viewer's right side since the rim is so weak on both sides of the coin in that area. I could live with F15 for an obverse grade, but would not want the coin at higher than a VG10 overall grade.

    I do not think the coin has been cleaned from these images.
     
  13. fretboard

    fretboard Defender of Old Coinage!

    Yeah it's hard to say about a cleaning b/c there's so much wear. I was thinking about selling it earlier today as I had a chance but it's kinda grown on me. Lopsided wearing pattern and all! :D

    I'll take the F12 call, at least it was somewhat different on both sides and others saw it as well. Honestly I didn't know how to call the grading on this one and I'm really glad some of the forum's top dogs showed up. too cool! :D I appreciate it up there guys!! :bow: I'm not worthy... ;)
     

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  14. PFCBEGA

    PFCBEGA Staff Numismatist HA.com

    Without knowing the series I'd give it a boarderline grade of VG-10 or F12. The reverse could keep it from the Fine grade....
     
  15. fretboard

    fretboard Defender of Old Coinage!

    Yeah I don't know how the coin wore like that, can't figure it out. The only guess I can come up with is that the obverse strike was well struck, strong and clear and the reverse was faint. I don't know maybe someone else has a better answer than my guess. ;)
     
  16. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    :loud: Aaackk ! :bigeyes: Now here is something truly worth marking on the calendar - Mike grading a coin lower than I do !!
     
  17. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Yeah I considered that too Matt. But the coin, even the rev, meets the criteria for an ANA F12. And the obverse, which is the more important side, even meets the criteria for F 15. But because of the worn reverse rim, I kept it at F 12.
     
  18. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    One other thing, you might want to take a look at what the TPGs call F 12.

    NGC F 12

    PCGS F 12

    Given this, I rather think that if the OP's coin were sent either NGC or PCGS, it would probably return in an F 15 if not a VF 20 slab.
     
  19. G-man422

    G-man422 Member

    I would go VF 20 on Obverse and F 12 on reverse
     
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