Poll: "In God We Trust" on coins?

I've read studies that show 15% of people identify themselves as outright atheists or just non-believers. Figure in the agnostics, pagans, wiccans, and such and Fox News shines as a pillar of reliability once again.

 

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No, because we as a country don't put our trust in Allah, Satan, Zeus, Buddha or other deities. As a country (but not everyone in it), we believe in God (though many different people have different versions of God in their own beliefs).

 

Yeah, and I have read figures also. That and $2 will usually get you a cup of coffee. show me!. Aside from that, The last I checked, 100% - 15% still leaves in excess of 80%.

 

I'll PM you my theological questions but I read rule #8 and I'm wondering why "what would the Founding Fathers, Jews, Christians, Muslims, Atheists, Buddhists, etc. think of IGWT on our coins" be appropriate for this thread and "What would you think Jesus thinks of IGWT on our coins" not. He is after all who a vast majority of Americans believe is the son of the object of the phrase we're discussing.

Since I'm told we can easily separate God from Religion, Can't we separate the historical quotations of Jesus from religion?

 

I think the point from the orginal post you are ruffling your feathers over just went over your head. Who cares what percent it is or isn't by whose study or poll? The point was that people believe a lot of things that don't appear on our coins and they believe them in large numbers.

 

Originally Posted by bobbeth87
No, because we as a country don't put our trust in Allah, Satan, Zeus, Buddha or other deities. As a country (but not everyone in it), we believe in God (though many different people have different versions of God in their own beliefs).

Hey, don't put Allah on that list. It has been made very clear to me that Allah is the Same God that we Trust in. Don't you know anything about Theology? Sheesh!
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So after all of these pages, to me it basically seems to boil down to this:

Some think IGWT shouldn't be on our coins because they think that some people aren't included by this representation.

Some think IGWT is ok to be on the coins because the word "God" is being used in a generic sense. Not representing any one God, but including all Gods. Thereby including all people. ...Except maybe the atheists.

I think that you can believe either, but you can't really reconcile them both. Unfortunately, there is really no middle ground to compromise on, either.

 

That's a lot of it! There's also the God is Religious vs God can be Secular conversations with and without constitutional implications.

(An appeal: It appears that what God wants is off topic, only what we want of God can be discussed here. [I want God on my money, I want God to represent everyone] It's hard for me to read the Sermon on the Mount and hear a yes vote from Jesus in this poll. Someone who is more knowledgeable should PM me how Christianity and Capitalism in general are a good fit. It's hard to "learn" things when you already think things but I'm willing to listen and consider.)

 

Well, even the right wing hate mongers at Newsweek and MSNBC came out with similar results just three years ago, but because it was on Fox it must be false.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17879317/site/newsweek/print/1/displaymode/1098/

Correct me if I am wrong, but there seems to be two major arguments here:

One is that the phrase may be offensive to some people and that it has religious meaning so it should be removed. With this line of thinking, I guess if it said "in porn we trust" it would be okay or "in global warming we trust?" Both phrase may be offensive to some but do not have religious meaning although one may argue the second phrase requires a leap of faith. But how do we change this, through the courts or by congressional action?

The most substantle agrument for the phrase is that is currently the law of the land. The reason it the law of the land is beacuse it is popular and our elected representatives usually vote for what is popular. I am inclinded to believe that some of those arguing this point may actual be willing to fight with those to lobby for its removal under the proper circumstances. I think most who argue this point would conceed that this law could be changed through the courts or by congressional action.

The most important thing is that those opposed to trusting in God have the right to lobby against it without being thrown in prison or some similar fate. As a matter of fact those who believe that it is a violation of their rights are are failing as citizens if they are not currently lobbying for its removal.

 

WOW Doug, you're really going to town here. Did you get the day off from work? :mouth: Ha ha!

The truth of IGWT is that it is on our money for pretty much the same reason we had prohibition from 1920 through 1933.

"Under substantial pressure from the temperance movement, the United States Senate proposed the Eighteenth Amendment on December 18, 1917. Having been approved by 36 states, the 18th Amendment was ratified on January 16, 1919 and effected on January 16, 1920. Some state legislatures had already enacted statewide prohibition prior to the ratification of the 18th Amendment."

We wised up after 13 years of stupidity and and caving into the religious Right wingers and repealed the law just as we should repeal the law that keeps IGWT on our coins.

 

At 91% and/or 92% who believe in "God", it kind of sounds like most already think we have "wised up".

 

me too

 

The 18th amendment was repealed because 2/3rds of both the House and Senate voted to repeal and ratified because 3/4ths of the States concurred.

With a significant proportion of our elected representatives favoring the presence of IGWT, (otherwise, you'd see a bill proposed to remove it from US Coinage) and multiple court rulings in favor of IGWT on coinage, I can't see where, under the current legal system, where things are going to change (pardon the pun).

The nice part of our constitutional system is that you can always change your elected officials in sufficient numbers to change the laws.