Guess the grade # 5

Based on what I have seen, Leadfoot has an excellent grasp on grading .

 

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Can we nickname you "Socratic Mike"?

 

I think "PITA Mike" has a better ring to it and more apropos to the situation at hand....

Seriously, I apologize if I got under SE's skin. It was not my intent, but my direct questioning manner sometimes rubs people the wrong way.

I suspect if we got together over a beer we'd get along just fine...Mike

 

Ahh but do you study the real ones or just the photos

 

Top coin – this is a late die state , mushy strike. Based only on the photo I would give it Au 58 tops. The coin also looks to have been dipped. This one is tricky because of the strike, it is possible this could have been graded higher but I do see what I think is enough friction to keep this below MS .

Botton coin – Could be Au 58 but I lean towards Ms 62 or 63 , Nice coin above average strike , but also appears to be dipped.

 

TPG grades:

Top coin -- XF at best. Too much field luster to grade higher, IMO, but I suspect it does.

Bottom coin -- looks mint state to me.

How'd I do?

 

It seemed to me you understood what I was saying but also that you were intentionally trying to tick me off by questioning everything about the difference between AU and UNC. I didn't make up the rules or guidelines or whatever you want to call them, yet you were intimating that it was all me. I've NEVER claimed to know everything, but one thing I do NOT do is state something as fact that I know isn't. If I do not say "I think" or "maybe" or something to that effect, I truly believe it to be true.

Probably. Someone on the ebay coin chat and I had a big tiff 8 or 9 years ago, but we get along fine in person. But then, I only see him at FUN and usually only for a few minutes at a time because he's usually got a crowd.

One of the problems of internet forums and text only communication is that communication is (according to my leadership courses in the navy) either 70% or 90% (can't remember which, but I'm leaning towards 70) non-verbal. Tone of voice, inflection, posture, movements, of course none of which is visible on my computer screen.

 

album friction?

 

now here is a curveball you didnt tell us according to whom?

are we grading the actual coins?

or are we going to guess what the TPG grader smoked before they graded it?

 

okie i have a solution


coin no 1
GD- what is it doing in a holder are you blind cant you see the scratches no grade ok if you argue with me long enough ill relent to a 45 to get you off my back spock but no it should nt be graded
TPG grader- man what a purty coin it looks so smooth i cant see the scratches nor can i feel it with my thumbs - it reminds of my bald head lets give it AU 53

coin no 2
GD - spock cant you see the wear over the cap you will never learn grading you can only grade coins that you buy nothing else arrrgh who let him out arrgh
TPG grader - there are hardly any MS coins for these when will these stupid people ever learn but i have got a company to run and also a market let me give it a MS 63 and i am sure they will call it album friction, cabinet friction, forum friction to explain it to themselves

 

Forum friction... I love it!:thumb:

 

i wouldnt pay ms money for the op coin.

 

see i was right on both. how come you dont say anything when i am right

now if i was wrong we would have had a second installment of the bible waiting for me

or maybe you have mellowed down

sensei

 

at least someone appreciates my pf 70 posts

 

I agree with the grade on the NGC coin at Au 50 .
Strongly disagree with the Au 50 on the PCGS coin although with the larger Heritage picture I would have called it Au 58 and not MS . Details wise that coin is not Au 50 , maybe it has zero luster in hand and they dropped it to Au 50, or there is something else going on with the coin not visible from the picture. You can split hairs on this as many ways as you want , but I have an MS 62 coin certified by CAC as MS 62, when I sell it chances are highly in my favor that I will get MS 62 money. As I said before if you want to makes us believe that you are better at grading a coin from a photo then PCGS and CAC did when they had the coin in hand then I will never win this argument.

 

slowly the tru age is coming out

Que pasa? I want my money back nah its okay even i am not an expert

I thought you were a MR and not a MS myself qonder why we need the market in this one?