Broadstruck GB 1964 Halfpenny, Interesting

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  1. 7Jags

    7Jags Well-Known Member

    I got this coin not long ago for very little. It looks to be ordinary currency but in hand is so sharply struck that it appears specimen. Well here is my semi-sorrowful pictures:

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    I really would have thought the pressure relief of no collar would have dispersed the impact of strike and given more mushy details to the devices.
     
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  3. TheGame

    TheGame Well-Known Member

    The opposite is true - with no collar, there's no pressure in the planchet to counteract that of the die, so it'll get more deeply struck.
     
  4. 7Jags

    7Jags Well-Known Member

    Hmmm, my thick head does not follow - why would there more detail being struck up if metal is flowing away from the strike?
     
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  6. Razz

    Razz Critical Thinker

    They struck 78 million that year, so maybe you have an EDS. Here is my 1964 in a mint package of some sort. Rough planchet on the obverse bust shoulder and center of reverse where the center rigging meets the gunwale makes this probably an average strike... DSCN4894~2.JPG DSCN4895~2.JPG
     
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  7. 7Jags

    7Jags Well-Known Member

    Really wonderful design, simple but a bit of elegance.

    The reverse edges/rims almost prooflike however on yours, I like it!!
     
  8. 7Jags

    7Jags Well-Known Member

    Back to the point of dispersing pressures - the denticles show that on this coin, and the Blakesly (sp?) effect might be coming into play??
     
  9. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    The Blakesley come into play when an incomplete planchet is struck. I don't believe that it is associated with off center or broad struck coins.
     
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  10. 7Jags

    7Jags Well-Known Member

    But it is the general principle that I was addressing - the relief of local striking pressure by adjacent structural defect lending to a "softening" of strike detail.
     
  11. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    I don't know the answer. An incomplete planchet has a void and renders a weakness just opposite the void. This is more likely to cause a tilt in the die, (don't quote me).
    A broad struck and most that I see are very well hammered. On a centered broad strike you tend to have some stretching of the perimeter devices but the coin has great details.
    EX.
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  12. robp

    robp Well-Known Member

    Hmm. 1964 appears to be a year in which the mint didn't cover itself in glory. I've got this error from the same year. About 5mm high at the widest point.
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  13. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Nice off center!
     
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  14. robp

    robp Well-Known Member

    And to back up my previous statement - this 1964S shilling
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  15. Razz

    Razz Critical Thinker

    Grease filled die, probably. Here is my Scottish shield 1964 Shilling. 5 million mintage. DSCN4897~2.JPG DSCN4896~2.JPG
     
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  16. Mr. Flute

    Mr. Flute Well-Known Member

    Let's see if I can describe this correctly.

    Because there is no opposing pressure from the collar to counteract pressure from the hammer die.

    Resulting in all the hammer die pressure being forced on the coin metal and into the dies' devices.
     
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  17. 7Jags

    7Jags Well-Known Member

    But the metal is "retreating" AWAY from the strike itself (in the event of no collar) and so would certainly think there to be a softening of detail as with the example of the Blakesley effect.
     
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  18. Mr. Flute

    Mr. Flute Well-Known Member

    But likely not enough to have a demonstrative effect(s).
     
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