Hello, I'm thinking this is an earlier or later version of the die state. It's quite similar to the famous 1969s DDO. I have two of them, the pics are not duplicates. Thanks in advance for any feedback.
That's not a Doubled Die variety. In Doubled Die there is no earlier or later state. It doesn't evolve at any time. LIBERTY shows Die Deterioration doubling. Worthless doubling that has nothing to do with a true Doubled Die variety.
Thanks expat, I took pictures of this roll a few months ago and noticed the doubling when I reviewed them yesterday. I thought that they were different coins but it's obvious that you are right.
Thanks paddyman98, I understand that you are correct in your assessment but I really can't see the difference between many of the "worthless" vs. "collectable" examples, even after spending considerable time looking at the samples shown by Ken Potter in a link I followed in a post in this forum by jtwax. For instance, in reference to instances of collectable doubling, Ken Potter says "In many cases you will note distinct areas of separation between the images even if only in the finer details such as the serifs of characters." If you look at the number 2 in the 1962 image you can see distinct separation in the points of the serifs yet, it is classified as worthless doubling. It is quite confusing. Collectable Forms of Doubling Other Forms Of Doubling All photos by Ken Potter. © Ken Potter 1992-2003.
It's simple.. You can collect anything you want. But that doesn't make it a true Doubled Die. The other forms of doubling is worthless doubling.
So when is it a Doubled Die variety? A Doubled Die Variety occurs when the working die is made. The working die IS struck twice by the master die (really a double squeeze). So that when there is a doubling on the working die (hence the name doubled die) that doubling gets transferred to every coin struck by that working die. Worthless doubling such as MD - Mechanical doubling and DDD - Die Deterioration Doubling are not part of what I just explained. Worthless doubling is what you are seeing on your Cent in the word LIBERTY. Flat and shelflike
Thanks, that does help. Now when there are a very limited amount of coins known to have the same doubled die, does that mean that they changed out the die rather quickly or does the process work out it's own kinks?
Also, can you recommend a resource available online or at a brick and mortar that gives a comprehensive explanation of the modern minting process and the myriad of foibles that create all of these varieties?
The die will continue to produce until it is retired or swapped out. The following are very good resources https://doubleddie.com/ http://varietyvista.com/ http://www.lincolncentresource.com/
@Laplion …here is a great explanation of the difference: Go to the “Coin Chat” forum here at Coin Talk. Find the post “Die Stage vs Die State” by @1913nickel on Mar. 16, 2017. In this post @longnine009 and @Conder101 deliver excellent information regarding why they are not the same thing. Both die progressions happen at different times but can coincide. This is what @paddyman98 was so adamant about. Read the entire post. …imo…Spark
Thank you all so much for your explanations and patience. You were kind and generous with your knowledge when you didn't have to be. I appreciate that very much.
The Lincolncentresource.com is an excellent one, but the one I think best for members new in this area is coppercoins.com .You can go to the upper left corner and click on the tiny blue " Die variety search". or use the various groupings of different information. The photos are tremendous, IMO. The others (besides Lincolncentresource ) are not as accurate, IMO. JIm
Doubled die specimens (the product) are the result of a process error during the hubbing of the working die (that has the doubled image/impression). During the coining process, specimens made with the doubled working dies will have the doubling. Perfect doubling is the coining process runs error free. If the coining process gets a little sloppy, the same doubled image will have distortion. But since the doubling is in the die and not from the process, the doubling will be on the coin. A sloppy coining process using any die, doubled or not, will smear the image…more-or-less. Worn dies will produce a sloppy image as a result of process factors affecting the die over time. On worn doubled working dies the obvious traits may become less obvious. Wexler shows this on various varieties with the stage images/photos.
