1949 Lincoln wheat penny......

I found this 1949 Lincoln wheat penny.....it's definitely has a lot of doubling on it...
There looks to be a 1 on the right side of the last 9 in the date.....
Since I could find anything on a DDO for 1949 I got to thinking after seeing the doubling with my loupe...is it really a 1949 or a mint Error.......

 

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is that a 1 or some form of displaced metal?
Is everything that is straight a 1? or just "perceived" to be a 1?
Is the "I" in LIBERTY an i or a 1?

So if a hub was pressed against a die for a 2nd time, and shifted to the right don't you think everything would have a second image to the right ?
Why only the 9?
Which class of DD would this be? ==> Doubled Die Variety Mint Error – 8 Different Classes Of Doubled Dies – COIN HelpU (coinauctionshelp.com)

If you are seeing an expansion of the verbage around the outside edge ... you are seeing the die wearing and getting compressed with wear of metal edging out the outer edge of each letter. Sounds more like Die Deterioration.

 

He’s been given this advice many, many times over the last 17 months. One of these times he may start to believe us…Spark

 

There is no doubling only advanced die deterioration. And it wouldn't be an error if there was. You could get greater satisfaction from id'ing these things yourself. It is how you further your education and knowledge in this great hobby. The links you have been previously supplied have great info. Learn the difference between varieties and errors, the minting process and how dies are made. Then you can ask yourself the important question. Could this have happened during the minting process, if so, how?

 

I see now looking back at all the postings.

 

I know it's so hard to see in photos sometimes but how can u say it's not doubled when it's so raised off the letter we are not talking shadows of letters I'm talking about medal on top of metal highly raised for example the u in trust.....

 

Do you know what a Ridge Ring is and how it develops?

Do you know what happens from thousand of metal flowing into a little letter and scraping out the outer edge (die deterioration)

And adding those two things together what one would see ?

 

That is a classic example of a deteriorated die. The spreading of the peripheral devices towards the rim.

 

Maybe so but do u know how many examples on variety vista that claim to be Doubling that pushes the medal towards the rim

 

For example 1951 ddo

 

Worn does and the 9 took a small hit. It shows easily.

 

pushing the metal towards the rim,
and a Doubled Die
are two separate things.
There is
(a) Doubled Die
(b) Mechanical Doubling
(c) Die Deterioration Doubling
and you can have a mixture.

you have to understand the difference between them


with the 1951 001 DDO You are not looking at the "real" indicators.
look at the marks in yellow compared left-right. Then compare to your image.


once again, try to read, study and understand the following Doubled Die Variety Mint Error – 8 Different Classes Of Doubled Dies – COIN HelpU (coinauctionshelp.com)

even use a cookie cutter on thin flour dough to understand how rotating, etc the cookie cutter (aka a die) affects the image on the dough with multiple shifts. Then you can ask how that can "radiate" out like your image of die deterioration. Radiating out .. is based on the flow of metal, causing die damage over thousands of strikes.

 

If you study the VV image you will see that the doubling in the letters in IGWT is not directly above each letter, It is in a slightly different position for each group of letters eg, God is north. We is slightly north west and Trust is a little more north west. This is because when the master die was hubbed, it moved in one direction. Your coin shows that each letter is spread directly above itself towards the rim. Again, classic deterioration doubling.

 

Ok ty very much....that makes sense....

 

Okay, you are right, you have a valuable error and need to submit it to a TPG asap for authentication.

 

It’s just from a worn die. Any magnifying will show anomalies in any and all coins. If one uses high enough magnification you can find an error on every coin every minted. There are all types of doubling on coins and they are only worth face value except for the one type of doubling that is hard to find. Looks at 1955 cents, and 1972’s. That’s the type of doubling you want to find. The right type of doubling does not produce one coin, not even here or there finds but it produces that same doubling until a mint employee spots the error and stops the machine. Hundreds or even thousands will get into circulation and that’s what’s drives the price for doubled die errors.

 

Bradford one thing I have learned here, is read and study. I have been out of pocket for a bit but I read the blog now and then. Think about something going through a coin counter or roller no telling how many times over the years especially an older coin like 1949. I would ask and ask and ask the same over and over. Just like this one I’m posting, wear and tear but still exciting to find. It’s worth something to you so that’s what matters. As one said we are all unique and enjoy different coins for different reasons. This one is sealed but see the wear and tear. Continue having fun looking.

 

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