1940-P missing & rotated date numbers

My Grandfather would refer to the Quarter as two bits, I guess I'm old school thinking cents are pennies.

 

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I find that some of these "technical" answers really take the fun out of collecting.

 

I prefer to collect varieties and errors rather than damaged coins, if you like damaged coins all the power to ya!

 

Your 59D looks like machine doubling on the TR of TRUST, and I don't see an RPM.

Chris

 

There is no reason that technicalities should take the fun out of collecting, but there is also no reason to mislead newcomers into thinking it is something that it is not nor ever will be.

Chris

 

When you find a coin,and it has a defect/error,your first thought is WOW!! How cool, I just found "Something" then to hear someone say something like "When the Molten metal was cast into the pewter jug that holds the overlaying mechanical trial die pair,that connects to the inner liner of the mold for the die,that presses agianst the inner diameter of the outer collar,when struck, a small piece of lint was trapped in the middle of the two clad pieces,upon striking it submerged itself deeper into the planchette.Once on the truck for delivery,after being put into a roll by the covering computer arm,controlled by another computer,the temperature of the truck fell below 30deg Celsius,and being pressed agianst other planchettes and the carbon from the paper roll,the planchette warped by 1million's of a cubic central diameter creating a small wave effect.that is what you see with the naked eye,and because it didnt happen "in the minting process" this process occurred other places, it is not an error.sorry.

In the old days there was more mystery,more fun,and more surprise.Now its all about this and that to some so called "technical" "so called" expertise ,Same reason I never watch baseball anymore,and football has lost its "specialty" feeling too.I might have more fun watching the neighborhood kids play ball,cause I dont think I can predict the outcome.Thats just me.Im not trying to offend,but Ignorance can be bliss.

 

LOL. Not an excuse at all ! I have been typing with 1 hand for 7 years now. LOL Since my accident. Lost use of the good arm following repair surgery. Amazing what you can do if you want. But I would rather hold the baby myself too !!

 

She just turned 7mo,and during the day,she will only nap now, if I am laying down with her.So I was laying down,I had her on half my chest, overlaying my left arm/wile I was laying there,I had my laptop on the coffee table "eye level with my head.while trying to lift my head enough to see the keys,and type with my one right hand finger,So I could see the keys.I hit the wrong key every other letter.LOL,and I didnt wake her.whooo.Kiss

 

[.....,but Ignorance can be bliss.[/QUOTE]

Ignorance can also be very expensive. One reason people come on to forums like this is to get educated about their hobby. to just say "sorry, that's post mint damage" does nothing to educate anyone. If you label something post mint damage, or anything else for that matter, you should explain WHY you feel it is that way or you are just asking someone to take your word for it. For many years the hobby was run just that way. There were even books published that listed errors as die varieties, identifying such items as the die chip that created the "BIE" error and cataloging cuds as varieties. This created a false market for these items and, though they have value, they were sold for more than they would bring today as a properly identified error.

"Ignorance is bliss" may be a great way to watch a neighborhood ball game, but it is not appropriate in a hobby where people often spend large ammounts of cash.

Richard

 

For those of you who choose not to understand the science behind the "error" are the ones who will spend the big bucks on a non-error coin. One day in the near future the owners of the 22-no D's and the 37-D 3 leggers are gonna wake up to find out that their precious coins have been rendered worthless. If you learn the minting process you'll understand alot more clearly what is an error and what is not...

 

Post Hen Error?

I was making breakfast while reading this thread and opened a brand new carton of eggs only to find one cracked. Would that egg be a hen error or post-hen error? LOL

 

That's GREAT !
No grandkids here, but I got to hold a friend's daughter's newborn for awhile last week. There is no describing the joy of holding a baby. That's what we're here for, isn't it ?

Good luck and my best wishes to you and yours.

 

My favorite "lay variety" is the "Jumbo Double Yolk" error. It is said these were minted...eh I mean laid at the Rhode Island Red facility.

 

The funny part is: they say it decreases the value of the coin. BUT I have had much more conversation and interest displayed in a really funky looking one than a normal one.

For an example, my 1941 cent with a slanted one that was supposedly caused by a shotgun wrapping machine. People look at it and comment. No one ever looks at all the regular 1941's and says anything at all. They are simply 1941's.

Same goes for every error coin I have found so far. There is interest in the things that stand out. Of course, in today's economy, the only people buying on eBay are dealers it seems. LOL Everyone wants a bargain.

 

Ignorance can also be very expensive.

Richard[/QUOTE]

I would have hoped that people reading this would understand the words I wrote in its complete form.For some this did not happen.

Computers are killing everything.With the availability of everything on the internet the "availability" of things has become so much,that the prices have gone down.

There are "opinions" from so called experts reported everyday,about some "new" find.


I said in my "opinion" I feel certain things are errors.And for the record,all hobbies are expensive.It depends on how much your willing to spend,and how deep your willing to pursue it.

like I said

What works for me may not work for you.

A "hobby" can also be cheap,buying some "non error" for $2,to enjoy isnt going to put you in the poor house.For alot of people it isnt really a "hobby" its a career.but they dont say that.

Coin collecting just doesnt seem to have the same pazaz as it use to,now its just about the $$$.the big $$$

 

Live in the Mystery .. Not in the Know!

When you put a price tag on something it sort of loses it's value.

I do this because I enjoy the hunt and the find and couldn't really care less about what it's value is. If I think it's unusual and rare-scarce or in great condition, no matter what variety or error it is, it gets kept.

I love having them to look at when I want and I love finding new varieties by learning reading this forum and then going back and researching the 1500 plus " Cents" I have collected just to discover I have one. It's like an endless cycle for the real explorer who can't go to Egypt or Crete and find a 3,000 year old temple of spritual guidance.

If I went out and bought every book about every Mint Error or Post Mint Error I wouldn't be posting much anymore on here and I am quite sure those said books , by the time I bought them, wouldn't have any of the New Discoverys in them.

Instead of quickly telling someone there post is " Junk" or " post-Mint" damage why not consider just because it's worthless to you as a coin dealer as opposed to a true collector it may be worth keeping to someone else? And possibly, just possibly, it may be worth holding onto? Or, might even be a One of a Kind, Or, maybe tell someone " Yeah, that's a nice " Post-Mint" damage coin and might not be worth anything to me but it might be to someone who actually appreciates it's appeal?

Too many people have dollar signs in their eyes and it does get in the way of respectable behavior and clouds even the most generous person's judgement.

Yea, some of us are just begining and don't have the resources you experts have but isn't that why this forum exist? One can only assume sometimes based on the attitudes on here that some of you coin dealers like to mitigate a coin either to try to buy it at a very low price from someone just to turn around and sell it for a ridiculous profit or tell someone their coin would never grade high just to keep them from having it graded and registered to keep it's population down thus preserving the value of your own similiar coin. Is that impossible to fathom? I think not.

I've seen people post coins on here just because they thought they were interesting looking ,just to be admonished by someone because to them it was worthless or, the so-called expert expressed an opinion about the posted coin when one wasn't asked for.

Okay, sorry.. off my soap box now..lol

 

Get Smart & Be Happy !

I started this thread because I really did not know what had caused the unusual condition of my coin. I am a beginner in the collecting world and the more knowledge & detail I can gain and utilize in my dealings , the better. I appreciate the frank opinions of the expert as well as the novice:
( remember that story about " the king has no clothes on " ? )

I do not believe that wanting to turn a profit and having a passion for acquiring your preferred coins are mutually exclusive.

I do not intend to collect Lincoln Wheats in order to keep them forever. I want to collect them "wisely" so that I can sell them for a profit and then buy the South American coins that I do intend to keep FOREVER.

I consider myself somewhat of an oddity and if I find a coin , any coin , that is odd for it's kind I will hold onto it for entertainment purposes, with no $$ value assignment required.

In the simplest terms: When I used to watch Sesame Street & they had that segment about " One of These Things is Not Like the Other " , well that is sort of how I view coin oddities and that is satisfying enough for now.

 

One of these days somebody will post a One of a Kind, "Never before seen" error coin on here which could be worth a premium price and somebody will tell them it's worthless. Who is at fault?.. the person expressing their opinion of the coin or the person who listens to it and tosses it back on the pond?

You have to listen to opinions on here with an open mind concerning your coins because the opinions are very subjective considering they are pictures and not an actual viewing and could be a new find, and that is my opinion.

My Coin, My Rules!

P.S. Yes, I do know the " Emperor is not wearing clothes" Story. And sometimes it may apply on here but sometimes the experts allow their Egos to get in the way of opinions too.

Question everything, it's the American Way.

 

A damaged coin is a damaged coin. A mint error is a mint error. Those are facts, not opinions.

Damaged coins do not carry a premium. Some error coins carry very little premium. Those are also facts.

A coin is worth what someone will pay, nothing more. If someone is willing to pay a premium for a damaged coin, that is up to them. Good luck getting your money back at resale.

Sure, some damaged coins are cool, I have a couple in my collection for that exact reason. They're worth exactly face value.

You can call a dog a cat, that doesn't make it a cat.

Study the minting process. Study error coins. Learn what causes errors. But don't call damaged coins errors.

 

I'll Study the Mint Process when you have told me you have stood there and watched every cent be minted since the minting process began. Otherwise to me it's just an exercise in futility since it is not all that complicated of a process. There is new discoverys made all the time, anyone who claims to know everything about all "Cents" ever minted has just proven to me someone who allows ego to rule.