1940-P missing & rotated date numbers

Compare the 1950 from this thread "1950 lincoln cent oddity" to the '40 above. I think they are similar enough to determine a similar machine did both. What do you guys think?

And then someone remind me how to reference another link in a post...

 

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That's exactly how many 1914-D Lincoln counterfeits came to be. They are fairly easy to detect by VDB on the truncation of the bust. If you don't recall, after VDB was removed from the 1909 cents, the letters were not put back on the coin until 1918 in the same location they are today.

So... if you find a 1914-D Lincoln, the first thing to do is look at the truncation of the bust for the VDB. If it's there, you got yourself an altered coin.

 

Not to get off the subject but.. Okay, off the subject alittle. Has anyone ever seen a 1959 D penny Double-Die and Repunched Mint Mark? I have one.

 

I don't know of any combination of the two. I think there are something like 130 dies from the '59-D with RPM's though, so it wouldn't surprise me. Got any photos?

 

I have the coin sitting right in front of me.. I'll do my best in a few to try to get some with the USB Microscope.

 

Nope! And no one ever has or will. The U.S. Mint doesn't make pennies.

Chris

 

The best part,its all an opinion.So in my eyes if it happened at the mint,its a "mint error" if it happened outside the mint,its Damage.Maybe if we only had a clear true definition on the words "Mint Error".....???? Im just being difficult.But to me thats what I do believe.

If a planchette is messed up,before it gets struck,is it considered a mint error or "damage" since the planchette did not get made at the mint?

Everything is an "opinion" But the reality is,anything is whatever you want to view it as.Whats good for you,is good for you.

 

Anything that happens during the minting process is a mint(ing) error.

After minting is post-mint damage. It makes no difference if it happens within the confines of the mint or outside.

Here is a short article on the minting process by a very knowledgeable old friend who is both retired military and a (semi-)retired coin dealer. (coin dealers don't ever really retire...)

 

1959 d

Here's a few pictures of it. It has some you can see on these pictures but my USB Micrcoscope is a cheapy. Around the bottom of the nine you can see some but alot is on the five too around the top but is covered in crud but can be seen the a normal microscope.

 

Are pennies made by Penny Faeries?

 

The US Mint has never minted a penny for domestic consumption. The US Mint mints cents for domestic use.

Most of us say "penny" most of the time. Hell, even coin wrappers say "penny" or "pennies". Common usage usually wins out. Unless...

I was in Australia in 2002 or 2003. Australia converted from LDS to decimal and also changed their circulating penny to the cent 40 or so years ago. I made the mistake of "seeing if I had a penny" in front of a restaurant cashier and was promptly corrected!

 

C.e.n.t.s.

 

In my eyes,as being in all aspects of a company from making a product to delivery & CEO.I consider a product,even if a penny.If it gets messed up from start to delivery,it is someones "error". For numismatics,if it gets delivered to my door,and it was messed up before it got to me,minus delivery.it is an error,if it came from the mint,it is a "mint error" to me,thats just me,people can analyze the diagnostics of whatever they want.To me personally the mint screwed up somewhere.So I consider it an error.

Error-

1. A mistake.

 

I concur, if an automobile company lets a vehicle go out their door to the sales floor and it has a defect, it is an error.

 

It looks like there is a ghost letter "M" or "O" above the "0" in the date of your 1st photo. Like some other coin or denomination got pressed into your coin ?

 

Once a planchet has been coined the minting process is over regardless what happens during the bagging or counting process...Thats just the way it is...

 

If there is any real doubling , I cannot see it in the date. What I do find interesting about the date specifically is the extreme difference between the font/serif used on each of the "9"s.

A place where I do see possible something happening more than once on that coin is the Mint Mark. I guess they call it an RPM. It looks like there is a defined split at both the NE & SE sections of the "D".

 

You are 100% correct, there is actually quite a few letters above the date and they are upside down. Sort of makes me believe it was punched over another coin somehow. There was alot of American " Cents" minted on foriegn planchets during the 40s and I'm starting to wonder about this one.

 

A cent is made at "the mint", however the term "mint error" does not refer to the building in which it is produced. A mint error occurs within the machine that stamps or "mints" the coin. If it doesn't happen at the time the coin is struck then it isn't a mint error. A coin minted on a damaged or clipped planchet is not an error because of the planchet per se, but rather the fact that the coin was stamped on it.

Among the recognized errors are; clipped planchet, lamination peel, off center strike, broadstrike, brokage, capped die, wrong planchet, struck through and combinations therof. I'm sure I missed some but those are the major ones. There are also minor mint errors that bring no premium except in their severest form; cracked die, die chip, and misaligned die being the most common.

Anything that happens to the coin after the strike, even if it happens in the mint building, is just post mint damaged. If a mint employee steps on a coin and scuffs it up, puts it back in the hopper and sends it off to the rolling company, it is still just post mint damage.

The coin above with the squished "0" is the result of damage caused in the coin rolling machine. the metal was moved by the finger of the roll crimper.

Richard

 

Looks like mechanical doubling but the mint mark is a rotated RPM as best I can tell. Nice.