Poll: "In God We Trust" on coins?

The difference is that Jesus is considered to have been a living person. Other than that, intent for the icon must be taken into account - in my opinion.

If the intent of displaying a statue of Jesus on the Capitol is to show the USA to be a Christian country, then I have a problem with that.

If the intent is to show solidarity, I would probably be ok with that.

Having said that, I don't for a second believe that solidarity would ever be a reason to display a statue of Jesus on the Capitol.

 

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where??

i don't see "god" anywhere in there

 

Try verse #4 also posted somewhere else in this thread,

 

I think we can have more tolerance of mythology but there are devout Christians that find these symbols offensive to their religion and consider them false idol worship. I certainly don't but if someone else does, fine, do away with them. I think you either tolerate all of them or none of them but don't cherry pick which ones you tolerate and which ones you don't. Consistency is key.

 

I see we have hit the 150 mark for poll responses.

 

...and that three-letter word is in the Declaration of Independence, and synonyms are in the inaugural address of every one of the Founding Fathers.

And yet there are those who make their case that the Founders would have opposed such actions... even though the Founders did those actions themselves !

 

Agreed.

Doug's point is that, as a society, we are inconsistent. We tolerate pagan idols but scream hysterically about The Ten Commandments (among others).

It's interesting what folks choose to oppose; it's interesting what the media chooses to promote as a controversy - which reveals their editorial bias.

 

And "against" has been defeated by a wide margin - more than 2:1. National opinion polls generally reflect an even wider margin.

It is the will of the great majority. It was the example of the Founding Fathers. It is totally constitutional.

The expression of God in public affairs, including on our money, will and should continue.

 

Is anyone aware of a constitutional challenge to tear down Goddess of Liberty the way atheists have attacked "In God We Trust" ?

Just askin'.

 

Attacked?

 

Yes.

As I have mentioned three times, I feel folks have handled things very well and genteely expressed themselves on this thread. If the shoe doesn't fit, don't wear it.

The idea of "In God We Trust" has been attacked ideologically and in court to advance individual's personal beliefs, thus subverting the will of the great majority.

We see a great deal of attack on "relig-idiots" in entertainment - and "attack" is certainly appropriate there. Isn't it odd people complain about "being offended" but have no problem with the tactics of Jon Stewart and Bill Mahre ?

In contrast, I am unaware of ideological attacks on pagan symbols. I'm not saying it doesn't happen - just askin'. It seems so low profile; I've never heard of it myself.

 

I'm aware of Michael Newdow, and the 9th Circuit amazingly took care of him. I fully expected them to find in his favor to help confirm their nickname, the 9th Circus.

But that's not an attack unless you personally feel your beliefs were being challenged.

The only religious attacks I see are liberals referring to conservatives as The Religious Right. I do not see conservatives pushing a religious agenda.

70 years ago it was the Democrats who were the religious party, e.g. Southern Democrats. Now it's Republicans who are associated with the South, and apparently the association with religion stayed with the South.

I must pay very little attention to whatever form of entertainment in which your "relig-idiots" are attacked. I don't have a clue what that's about or who's on which side. I do, however, have a clue as to which side of the aisle most of Hollywood supports.

 

And here is the quandary. I do not want our government promoting the religious belief system of secularism. So the promotion of God or lack of God each are unacceptable.

We must get beyond being offended by each other's differences and accept that most of these differences are tolerable in fellow citizens. Those we find intolerable by the majority are deemed criminal by society and are the subjects of the legislation of the appropriate governmental body. They are criminal, not because they are wrong due to moral principal, though many are both; but because the appropriate majority deem them intolerable to the society through their representatives.

 

Just for the record, some quibbling technicalities before we move on to the part where I jump onto your side to strike down Pagan Goddesses on our statehouses! (Does the Statue of Liberty have to go too? I really like the Pres. Dollar reverse. I am going to miss her... )

1) I do get to count Buddhism; I was counting Religious peoples for whom Trusting in One God does not apply. I should have added the Atheists too but very few of them are devout!

2) I understand that there is a difference between facts about Religion and about God per se but I was under the impression that you were arguing not just that those three religions say that they have the same God, but that they were correct; that, in fact, there really is only one God. That sounded to me like a kind of Religious construct. PLUS it would be funnier if you were talking about God...

3) My point was that people shouldn't use the Lord's Prayer in a secular way and expect that it would not give off a non-secular impression... What was it then that you were disagreeing with me about?

Thank you for your time answering #3 and I'm looking forward to joining you for the anti-goddess campaign!

 

That stood out as a good point. At times I encourage the students in my classes to share their Religious backgrounds and beliefs. Many teachers are afraid too do so because of "separation" but I think that as long as I am not encouraging them to believe what I, as a rep of the government, believe, it's all good. (It helps that I was raised without any Religion.) Students like to hear the wide variety of experiences we have in our class and would never have known.

 

However, I see plenty of Religious organizations pushing a Conservative agenda. It's sad to me because in the long run, I fear that Religions who sincerely wish to uplift humanity will ultimately hurt their calling by politicizing the pulpit. That's one of the best parts about AA, that it has no opinion on outside issues, it neither endorses nor opposes any causes. It leaves them free to help any alcoholic.

 

Our For- Fathers founded this great country on Christianity.....

"It cannot be emphasized too clearly and too often that this nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religion, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ."

"We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, far from it. We’ve staked the future of all our political institutions upon our capacity…to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God.” [1778 to the General Assembly of the State of Virginia]

"The duties of men are summarily comprised in the Ten Commandments, consisting of two tables; one comprehending the duties which we owe immediately to God-the other, the duties we owe to our fellow men.”

I love this country,as well as you all do, and to god we all owe our gratitude for our freedom and the great place we call earth. God bless our souls and all soldiers of our freedoms..., and hopefully our lawmakers and representatives of our great land to look out for all of us.!!
God Bless you...

 

Some of them may disagree with you. You might read some things they had to say.

http://freethought.mbdojo.com/foundingfathers.html