Poll: "In God We Trust" on coins?

Ahhh - so I'm being arrogant by stating something that is true. Well, if that's the case then I guess I am arrogant.

I freely admit that the use of the word God would not include the pagans. And there is a lot more than just the Hindus. Oh and by the way, you can't count the Buddhist, the Buddhist have no gods.

Never once have I said anything about believing any facts about God. What I have commented on are facts about relgions. There is a huge difference between the two.

I never said it could be, I merely said I disagreed with you.

Not at all. But I do think that you are misinterpretting Jefferson. You are choosing to interpret it to mean that the state can never use any reference to God. What Jefferson meant was that there was never to be any state relgion.

As I have said all along, and this what none of you can seem to get past . The wall of separation that Jeffrson intended was between the state and religion, not between the state and God. God and religion are two entirely separate and different things.

Most people don't think that. But then that is because most people actually know very little about the various religions. They have little or no understanding at all as to what the beliefs of the various religions actually are.

You come pretty close to proving my point for me with that comment. For you see, that has always been one of the primary reasons for all of the war and strife caused by relgion throughout history. It is precisely because they worship the same God that the various relgions always fought against each other. They are all convinced that all of the others do it wrong, that only their way is right. And so those who are wrong should be punished and forced to do it their way. They consider the practice of other relgions as blasphemy and an affront to their God because the other religion's God is their God.

 

I can show you some references, try reading what you find at the following link. Oh, and by the way, there are still those who object to it today. Click Here

 

Now let me try something a little bit different, let's put the shoe on the other foot. And thanks to Marhsall for the idea.

For all of those who believe that the use of the motto on our money should be stopped because it is unconstitutional, or that is does not adhere to a separation of church and state - should we then remove any and all references of pagan gods or goddesses from state property ?

I mean, state buildings like courthouses are no longer allowed to have nativity scenes on the lawn at Christmas time because of the religious conotations.

It has been claimed in this thread that swearing to God, or swearing on the bible in court is no longer permitted for the same reasons.

But yet our money was at one time adorned with a pagan goddess. Many of our state buildings all over the nation, even our Capitol building in Washington, is adorned with staues of pagan godddesses. Some state flags have pagan goddesses on them. The Statue of Liberty is a statue of a pagan goddess. Many of our courthouses, the Supreme Court building itself has a statue of a pagan goddess right in front.

Of course all of these things are some of the most sacred, some of the most strongly believed in, and some of the most precious symbols of our nation that we have.

So should, by the same reasoning that you claim that the motto should be removed from our money - should all of these national and state symbols be removed ? Should the Statue of Liberty be torn down and destroyed ?

All of these things, by your reasoning, absolutely depict images of relgions and religious symbols. Pagan relgions, but religions just the same.

So how do you answer that ?

 

Really ? So no one still worships these ancient gods ? There is information to the contrary if you care to look it up.

 

So would you have a problem if there was a statue of Jesus on our Capitol building ?

 

If you find this so hard to believe clad, then perhaps you should read the Koran sometime -

"ALLAH is HE besides Whom there is none worthy of worship, the Living, the Self-Subsisting and All-Sustaining. HE has sent down to thee the Book containing the truth and fulfilling that which precedes it; and HE has sent down the Torah (Law of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guidance to the people; and HE has sent down the Discrimination (judgement between right and wrong)."—Qur'an, Surah 3:3-4

 

So does that mean that you think all depictions of - Liberty, Columbia & Freedom all of whom are the Roman goddess Libertas; the blind goddess of Justice who is the Greek goddess Themis, and there are plenty of other statues to go along with these but these are the two most common - should be removed from all city, county, state and federal buildings - or anything else having to do with government or our money ?

A simple yes or no will do.

And if you don't believe that Liberty is a pagan goddess - then you better look it up, because she is.

 

I submit to you that a statue of Jesus is no more iconic than a statue of Libertas or Themis. But it seems you are beginning to get the idea.

And I guess that is the point I am, have been, trying to get across. That we have many things in our country that undeniably depict various religious icons - but yet all these people who have such a huge problem with a one little three letter word, just a word mind you, that is used on our money, in our National Anthem, and in our Pledge of Allegiance - have no problem whatsoever with these pagan statues that are literally all over the place.