Found this along with a 1909 P in eBay rolls yesterday. Can I get an opinion on if it looks like a Matte Proof?
Not one. I almost bought one once. The surface looks as if has been sand blasted/or a heavy satin finish. -O)
p.s. due to the size of the pics and the worn nature of the coin, I doubt anyone could tell authoritatively if the coin is or is not a MPL. That said, the odds that it is a MPL are extremely remote from a simple numbers perspective.
So, in a sense, what you're saying is.. even if it were an MPL it would be impossible to tell? And there could be MPL's out there that will never authenticate? I don't have a good grasp on MPL's at this point, they are new to me, I'll get a book on it when I get a chance. I don't see the wear on this coin you point out, to me it looks like it's in great condition. The pictures are poor, I agree on that and not contesting anyone's opinion whether it is or isn't an MPL. I was just looking for feedback so I can gather information in my own mind and form some sort of template in my head to use to tell a MPL apart from a regular coin. These pictures fail to show it but the coin does have a granular surface.
here's some close-ups if you're interested. It does have the sharp edges inside the rim. It is also extra wide compared to other pennies and weighs in at 3.1 grams.
No, that's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that from the small pics it's practically impossible to tell. In the hands of an expert, or with much larger photos showing the areas of die marks only present on the MPLs (typically die polish) it would be much easier. If you are interested in learning more about the series, and figuring out for yourself if the coin is a MPL or not, I would suggest you buy the MPL book. Not sure the name, but it is a recent publication that gives all the markers. You might also search online for similar info -- I believe I've seen it before on the PCGS forums. Hope this helps...Mike p.s. to the poster who asked MPL = matte proof lincoln
p.p.s. Looking at the larger photos (thanks for attaching them!) the L in Liberty is far to weak for the coin to be a MPL, IMO. Take a look this area on a few MPLs, and tell me what YOU think.
Looking at the photos that show the rims, they appear beveled ( chamfered) and not right angled, sharp edge. The inside edge of the rim is also is too sloped ,IMO ,to be a matte proof. Jim
I have found circulated mpl's,the real problem with asking people's opinions online,I have found.That they are soo use to looking at Gem specimens,that if the are looking at a AU or lower grade,they cant even tell it is one.sad but true.They say "the rims arent square enough" the detail isnt good enough" The only true way to tell is looking for very specific die markers.just food for thought.never exclude it, until you can prove it. and the holder of the coin,is the only one that has good enough visibility to exclude it.
Thanks for the advise everyone. I agree it's impossible to be 100% sure looking at the pictures online. I was just looking for some " Off the Cuff" Opinions and got them, I'm still learning and appreciate everything. Still not a bad deal on this one since I found it in a roll I paid 6 bucks for along with a 1909 P .... Peace
