Poll: "In God We Trust" on coins?

I've heard tell they're going to do this with the politicians as well. :secret:

 

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I doubt it will stay on as we know it. My suspicions are that there will a coin holiday, and then it will be back again, but not with the same trust.

 

What He Said~

What Dimeguy said....plus a few words from one who "wrote the book" on We The People.

"But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."

-Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782

 

Majority rule eh? Not so fast. Please read.

MAJORITY RULE
Excerpts From Speech By Senator James A. Reed Of Missouri
(U.S. Senate, June 4, 1926)

I am getting a little tired of hearing about the sacred rights of the majority; that this is a country ruled by the majority; and that the majority has the right to have its way. This is not a country ruled by the majority. This is not a country of majority rule. The Constitution of the United States was written, in large part, to prevent majority rule. The Declaration of Independence was an announcement that there are limitations upon majority rule.

The rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness were declared in the Declaration to be inalienable rights. They could not be given away by the citizen himself. Much less could they be taken away by temporary agents, sitting in legislative bodies, holding a limited authority of brief duration.

The Constitution itself is a direct limitation upon majority rule. "You shall not take property without due process of law," says the Constitution, and before we can take that safeguard away what must we do? We must obtain not a majority by this body, not a majority of the House of Representatives," but a two-thirds majority in each House concurring in a resolution, and that resolution must be approved by three fourths of the States. What about majority rule in connection with that proposition?

The right to trial by jury can not be taken away by majority rule. The right for the habitation of the citizen to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures can not be taken away by majority rule. If it could have been so taken away, Volstead and his like would have invaded every home of America and fanaticism would have thrust its ugly face into every home of this land...Before you can trample upon certain rights of the American people you must have more than a majority, Sir, and I believe it to be true that there are certain rights which even by amending the Constitution of the United States, we can not take away from the citizens of the United States.

Majority rule! Where is the logic or the reason to be found back of majority rule except in the mere necessity to dispatch business? The fact that a majority of 1 or 10 vote for a bill in the Senate is not a certification that the action is right. The majority has been wrong oftener than it has been right in all the course of time. The majority crucified Jesus Christ. The majority burned the Christians at the stake. The majority drove the Jews into exile and the ghetto. The majority established slavery. The majority set up innumerable gibbets. The majority chained to stakes and surrounded with circles of flame martyrs through all the ages of the world's history. The majority in China believe in a doctrine and follow a code of ethics different from ours. Either they are wrong or we are wrong. The majority in India follow a different code of ethics and have a different set of ideas than we, and they far out number us. Either they are wrong or we are wrong.

The majority went down the pathway of the ages wearing gyves, which they voluntarily forged and fastened upon their arms; and when a minority arose headed by some brave soul, they hanged him upon a gibbet, they crucified him upon a cross, they pulled his limbs apart with horrible instruments of torture, and the majority stood there leering and jibing at the man who was the apostle of a better day.

Majority rule without any limitation or curb upon the particular set of fools who happen to be placed for the moment in charge of the machinery of a government! The majority grinned and jeered when Columbus said the world was round. The majority threw him into a dungeon for having discovered a new world. The majority said that Galileo must recant or that Galileo must go to prison. The majority cut off the ears of John Pym because he dared advocate the liberty of the press. The majority to the South of the Mason and Dixon line established the horrible thing called slavery, and the majority north of it did likewise, and only turned reformer when slavery ceased to be profitable to them.

Majority rule!

 

actually, they have dropped "so help you god" from the swearing in at court. or at least here they have, as i cannot speak for other courtrooms. i was in court less than 6 months ago and they didn't use it.

 

This is one of the few areas I'll have to disagree with you. Our founding fathers believed in the liberties of the individual and knew that the majority could enforce any whim they wanted upon individuals. Majority rule is mob rule and if you do a quick Google search of "mobacracy" you'll quickly see what our founding fathers had to say about majority rule. This country was founded upon the freedoms of the individual, not the whims of whatever gang might be greatest in number at any given moment.

 

IN GOD WE TRUST has long been a part of American heritage and should remain as such.

 

So 2 foxes and a lamb

So 2 foxes and a lamb are voting on what is for dinner......

Actually, this is a misquote from Ben Franklin about majority rule.

"Thank God it's a Republic" is what he ended up saying.

 

I voted to keep it. I believe that the dogmatic like preaching of secularism has made the government as or more intrusive in peoples lives than any theoretical establishment of a state religion. It almost feels like secularism has become a religion...

 

hell ya common dont loose the faith

 

Why stop there ? Let's get the full text of the First Amendment :

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Interesting, isn't it... that phrase "...or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" is the one so frequently omitted.

 

For a reasonable and rational discussion of the topic, may I suggest these books :

"American Gospel - God, the Founding Fathers, and the Making of a Nation" by Jon Meachem of Newseek

"The Faiths of the Founding Fathers" by David L. Holmes

I don't agree with everything they say, and I hope you don't either. That said, both books are a refreshing respite from extremism of all stripes. These are complex topics, and require a lot of facts accompanied by "shades of grey" thinking.

We live in the Misinformation Age; there's a lot of twisted agenda-driven rhetoric around... and that's just the news !

 

Good Idea

Before this thread drifts into politics or religion I could use a good read.

ThanX 900!hya:

 

Well said.

Interesting to note 9 of the 13 original colonies had an official state religion at one time or another prior to the Constitutional Convention.

 

Majority rule with respect for minority rights - which restates what both of you have said. Yes, the Constitution is a limitation on majority rule.

There is no doubt the majority rules.

The objection of a single person can bring the whole process to halt, if they can demonstrate an act of majority rule is unconstitutional. That's a remarkable thing. It's a wonderful thing.

I had a conversation with a guy in a shop on Arbatt Street in Moscow. We were talking about matrewshkas, when out of the blue he asked "Do the people in America have any power ?"

That started one of the most remarkable 45 minutes of my life. I attained a whole new appreciation for the fact that yes, people in America have tremendous power over our lives.

And you know what blew him away the most ? Of all the things he learned about America ? The notion of judicial review. The idea that a court could strike down a law or executive action.

The idea that the government sometimes opposes the government, and a governmental body can declare another body as "playing outside the rules" was revolutionary for him.

Another mind-blowing revelation for him was the idea of citizen initiative directly putting things on ballots without the involvement of an elected politician - ideas becoming law without the involvement of a legislature or an executive.

I'll remember that guy as long as I live.

I love America. I am so glad this is my home.

 

I totally agree

 

I know the feeling but rather than secularism which has become a religion it's more like political correctness has run amuk. Since some people can't speak English communication has to be done with pictures that now no one can decipher. It's unfair to ask people to learn how to read and write or to learn English so the literate are punished. It's not politically acceptable to be proud of one's ethnicity unless you are a minority and individual rights are a thing of the past. Unless you have civil rights you have none at all.

At this point we all have little choice but to trust in God.

 

Many people do the bidding of the Devil, even though they do not believe in him.