2 Abbasid coins

Discussion in 'World Coins' started by Mukremin, Apr 1, 2010.

  1. Mukremin

    Mukremin Junior Member

    Hello, i am looking for abbasid coin experts. I have here 2 abbasid coins, i think they maybe be fake. But since i am no expert, i cant tell for sure. I have posted them at the regular coin forum, but a member said it would be good to post here also. So here goes, hope someone can determine what abbasid coin it is and possible a value.
     

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  3. sunflower

    sunflower New Member

    Have you considered submitting them to a Professional Grading Service? Members of ANA (American Numismatic Assoc) have the opportunity to do so. That might be a pretty easy way to determine what you have exactly.
     
  4. Mukremin

    Mukremin Junior Member

    how can i do that? is it possible to send the pictures by email? because i am not sure where i can go in the netherlands for something like this.
     
  5. Zuhara

    Zuhara Junior Member

    The first one, which I believe is a Buyid coin (as posted in the other thread) you might be able to locate in Luke Treadwell's Buyid Coinage if a library near you has it. You might try here also:

    http://www.islamiccoinsgroup.50g.com/
     
  6. Zuhara

    Zuhara Junior Member

    double post--sorry!
     
  7. Mukremin

    Mukremin Junior Member

    heres a better picture of the second abbasid coin.
     

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  8. mpcusa

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    Nice examples :)
     
  9. sunflower

    sunflower New Member

    www.money.org is the Web site for ANA (American Numismatic Association). The site might be helpful to you. The profession grading company I had in mind is NGC.
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    There is fee. Your membership with ANA opens the door to submit coins. I think they grade/review world coins. Sorry I can not be of more help. I am not very well learned when it comes to coins.
     
  10. Zuhara

    Zuhara Junior Member

    This picture is clearer, but again very small. But I don't think it will help to make this one larger, although I think someone who is more expert could read it. It is a very nice coin however, why do you think it is a fake?
     
  11. Mukremin

    Mukremin Junior Member

    the other coins i posted are larger, i dont know why its smaller now when i post. maybe with limit? if you want i can send the pictures resized to you by mail? i think its fake because it is a bit different then the first one, :D sounds silly.
     
  12. Mukremin

    Mukremin Junior Member

    links from photobucket, hope it works here to
     

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  13. Zuhara

    Zuhara Junior Member

    Not necessarily silly, sometimes one's instincts are correct... Still, if the first coin is Buyid, there's no real reason it should look like the second :). You're welcome to e-mail me a better picture, but I am not much of an Abbasid expert. There are so many types of Abbasid coins.

    You might try joining Islamic coins group at Yahoo Groups and upload the picture there where there are many experts who might help you. Have you looked around the Internet? There are websites which have many coins like yours. My favorite for all kinds of Anatolian coins is Mehmet Eti's site:
    http://mehmeteti.150m.com/index.htm

    Mughal coins:
    http://www.anythinganywhere.com/commerce/coins/coinpics/indi-mughal.html

    Ghaznavids: http://ghaznavid.ancients.info/index.html#Table
     
  14. Mukremin

    Mukremin Junior Member

    thanks zuhara, i have read about the buyid stuff. and the caliph as you reported was one of the worse in abbasid history lol. still nice to have a coin from that age.

    btw the link is good now, the pictures are bigger. check the other post also. thanks
     
  15. Mukremin

    Mukremin Junior Member

    zuhara, have you managed to read the second abbasid coin?
     
  16. Ardatirion

    Ardatirion Où est mon poisson

    Collectors of modern or American coins may enjoy using NGC as a crutch, but most ancient or medieval collectors do NOT. This piece of advice is better suited to a different section of the forum.
     
  17. gmarguli

    gmarguli Slightly Evil™

    NGC will not grade individual coins like this. If you have a very large quantity of the exact same coins they will grade certain non-standard coins under special deals.

    The only TPG that will grade these right now is ANACS.
     
  18. Zuhara

    Zuhara Junior Member


    This turned up in another thread here. You can type in the name of the coin you have, and get some recent pictures and valuations. I tried it, and even though it is for ancient coins, it works with some Islamic coins too.

    I will look at your Abbasid coin soon.

    http://www.acsearch.info/search.html?search=saladin&view_mode=1&en=1&de=1&fr=1&it=1#0
     
  19. Zuhara

    Zuhara Junior Member

    This is provisional, but I think your Abbasid coin may be a coin of Al-Muqtadir (295-320 / 908-932). The letters on the coin are a little smushed, but it looks like his name on the reverse of the coin, last line. In which case, the last two lines of the obverse should read "Abu el Abbas bin Amir al-Muminin" -- this was his son.

    Posting an example here. Hope it works.

    http://www.vcoins.com/world/baldwins/store/listCategoriesAndProducts.asp?idCategory=53
     

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  20. Mukremin

    Mukremin Junior Member

    hmm so the first one is the Abbasid ruler At-Ta'i 974-991. Does the coin mention Adud ad Dawla? how can i best put an inscription describing the coin?

    and the second is likely from Al-Muqtadir (295-320 / 908-932)?
    thanks
     
  21. Zuhara

    Zuhara Junior Member

    yes the inscription is worn, but it looks to me like Al-Muqtadir, as best as I can tell from a photograph.

    The first one mentions the caliph Al-Ta'i, and I could not make out the second to last line, which should have Adud al-Dawla's name. But it refers to him as Abu Shuja, which is common on his coins. So you would describe it as a coin of Adud al-Dawla, since although he is mentioning the caliph it is really his coin. Let me look at it again, and I will get back to you about it later today.
     
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