Big Gold Coin Cud!

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  1. fretboard

    fretboard Defender of Old Coinage!

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  3. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    I thought cuds were always near the rim? Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think "cud" is necessarily the right term for this anomaly. Die chip? I dunno. Others will have the right term. It's cool regardless. And on colonial era gold, no less.
     
  4. Oldhoopster

    Oldhoopster Member of the ANA since 1982

    Internal Die Break (die chip to us old guys)

    A cud has been defined as a chip/break involving the rim. Personally, I always thought this was a ridiculous term ever since I first saw it 50 years ago in Frank Spadone's Major Variety and Oddity of Coins (came with my Sears Coin Collectors kit I received one Christmas).

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  5. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

  6. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    You ARE a coin freak. Great post
     
  7. fretboard

    fretboard Defender of Old Coinage!

    The coin is from Spain and to those who corrected me on this coin, yes it's a die chip as opposed to a cud, my bad! thumbupp.gif
     
  8. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    not a cud

    interior die break.

    interesting, but I wouldn't touch that without being slabbed
     
  9. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    I’m not seeing a cud. There’s nothing on the rim and cud’s must touch the rim. Actually that’s where they start. A beautiful gold coin with a little extra gold placed in just the right place.
     
  10. potty dollar 1878

    potty dollar 1878 Well-Known Member

    The smokin Charle!!!love it:):)I'll see this one until the end.It's at a pretty low price now but it'll probably double soon.Low enough and I'm sure the winner plans on getting it certified.
     
  11. Mountain Man

    Mountain Man Supporter! Supporter

    What an odd place for an interior die break. Wonder if it increased the normal weight?
     
  12. Oldhoopster

    Oldhoopster Member of the ANA since 1982

    No, assuming the planchet is normal weight. The coin weighs the same as the original planchet. Extra material is not added. The fixed weight of the metal will flow into the design, letters, and die break during striking.
     
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  13. Mountain Man

    Mountain Man Supporter! Supporter

    Ah, now that I think about it, makes sense. It was the medication I am on. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. LOL
     
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  14. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    A lot of those Spanish coins were minted in Mexico. (For use in the colonies?)
    I think there is a letter mark to say if it was or not.
     
  15. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    That good ole medication. You warned us about that.
     
  16. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    I’m not convinced that is a die break. To me it looks like extra metal. It is dated 1788 and the coins were made a bit different than they are today. It small enough that it’s probably within its weight tolerance.
     
  17. Oldhoopster

    Oldhoopster Member of the ANA since 1982

    It's from Spain based on the design and the crowned M mm. Mexico City used the M with a small circle above it

    https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces44673.html
     
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  18. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank


    I had that book and used it a LOT!

    Until I found out that his prices for some items were ridiculous.

    Like values for BIE Lincoln cents.
     
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